Why is it only Windows and Mac people advocating using Photoshop?

Dick.

If popular means good then I guess you'll accept that IE is the best web browser.

I can do what I need to do in either application (I use them for work too). I just don't find it pleasurable, ever. Both of them piss me off. Unlike, say, Artrage, which is a pleasure to use (not in the same application as PS/GIMP though).

I don't know how much of that is bad design and how much is just the inherent complexity.

I use the easier to use programs for that kinda thing.

I want an editor that supports complex layers, proper masking, all the standard raster and vector tools, decent text tools with leading and kerning, and so on.

As I've pointed out, I keep trying GIMP hoping that someone has come along and made it not shit, but every time I'm disappointed.


I should be more annoyed with Photoshop because it's got a huge team behind it, is Adobe's flagship product, and so on - probably in terms of time/effort/money expended PS is by far the worse piece, but it still doesn't make me as angry as GIMP does when I try to use it.

Because producing Photoshop for Linux probably wont make Adobe money, and that's the only reason they'd do it for.

Works fine in Wine.

Wine is shit.

:D

:?

In what way?

In a white way. :P

I'm coming to suspect that it's you who's shit :Y

I'm more wee at the moment.


I tried to draw you an owl, but it didn't come out quite as intended, plus I kinda forgot how they actually look, so it's not wonderful.

I'm gonna go pee now.

Well that's true, and that's where GUMP comes into its own.

 

Dude, if you are using paint shop "pro"...

 

 

 

um... never mind.

Hah! You're just upset because I'm a Pro and you're a GIMP! :P

I'm amazed you're not using Aperture or Lightroom. Have you tried them?

It didn't cost me anything. Oh wait, yeah.

 

I accept your point but it's still rubbish.

 

The job I wanted to do has now been done in Photoshop, though I did struggle to draw a curved arrow :-$

Something is not rubbish because you failed to figure out how to use it.

Fair point, but something is rubbish when you need a plugin to do a very simple task. And even with the plugin the simple task isn't simple.

 

It was a highly time consuming experience, a waste of time in fact because I couldn't get done what I wanted. I'm all for using FOSS/Freeware, but when it's promoted as a viable alternative I have to disagree.

If you need a plugin to draw an arrow, you're beyond help.

To be fair, PS does seem to make some tasks inordinately difficult when they could/should be much easier!

I do use Lightroom.

He's whingeing about GIMP. I agree both programs could be easier. Photoshop has been bloated up with stupid computer tricks to justify frequent version releases, but it's hardly improved since version 6. Of course the difficulty with designing software is anticipating exactly what all users want to do, so do you make a few features that are really polished, or many features that are pretty rough around the edges? It's probably the latter that is going to win you over new customers, since you can't return the product for a refund, when you find out it's not all it was cracked up to be.

 

Like Windows, Photoshop has a big installed base of people who have invested years in learning how to use it, so Adobe doesn't have to really try to improve it -- unless some competition comes along (which is why they bought Macromedia).