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From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 14:36
To: ANT_THOMAS 6 of 104
Not bothered by country-wide new-login-location checks for account security.

That's entirely different to selling my removed information to advertisers.

As above, this IP never resolves any closer than Maidenhead.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)13 Oct 2011 14:38
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 of 104
They're probably not selling it to the advertisers. Just displaying ads which match your location, which is a different thang.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 14:48
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 8 of 104
Don't care, it still offends me.

And they're still selling the use of the information to the advertisers, even if not the specific data value. So they are cheating advertisers with out-dated information.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)13 Oct 2011 14:54
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 of 104
Adblock.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 14:59
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 10 of 104
Opera. :(
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)13 Oct 2011 15:09
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 11 of 104
lol
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)13 Oct 2011 15:26
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 12 of 104
Are you connected using 3G? They'll be able to infer from that which areas you spend most of your time in, because your provider sells that information on to them. Oh yes. (Possibly.)
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 15:39
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 13 of 104
:|
From: ANT_THOMAS13 Oct 2011 16:11
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 14 of 104
Don't use Facebook then.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 16:12
To: ANT_THOMAS 15 of 104
:|
From: Dan (HERMAND)13 Oct 2011 18:25
To: ALL16 of 104
All of these services would be chargeable without adverts. Just saying...
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 18:41
To: ALL17 of 104
I want to install a component on all computers so that whenever someone writes "just saying" it opens a hatch and punches them in the privates.

And if they also say anything equivalent to "you're not allowed to complain because it's free" or "the adverts are the price you pay" or similar then it also slaps them round the face.
From: patch13 Oct 2011 18:44
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 18 of 104
Are you this angry in real life?
From: Dan (HERMAND)13 Oct 2011 18:47
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 19 of 104
I don't entirely subscribe to that notion, and free things can certainly be shit but the adverts are the price you pay and honestly, if you dislike it so much just stop using it.

I don't particularly enjoy the Facebook experience, but it's free and mostly works.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)13 Oct 2011 18:49
To: Dan (HERMAND) 20 of 104
I think/hope that model of business is going to die off soon. Someone really needs to find another way to make websites pay.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 18:52
To: patch 21 of 104
Sometimes.
From: Mouse13 Oct 2011 18:56
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 22 of 104
Someone with more clevers than me once said, " If you're using service online that is free then YOU are the product".
From: Dan (HERMAND)13 Oct 2011 18:57
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 23 of 104

I kind of agree, but then I don't really want to pay for this stuff either :D

 

Mind you, I do and have paid for some online things and they would certainly be more accountable.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)13 Oct 2011 19:03
To: Dan (HERMAND) 24 of 104
Yeah paying a sub isn't a good model either. They're both kinda old-media models shoehorned into the web where they don't really fit.

Donation models are cool, so long as you've got a userbase who (enough of whom at least) will pay. And so long as you let people who don't donate see everything (otherwise it's just subs under a different name).

The crop of free-to-play games of late are kinda interesting (the ones that are genuinely free-to-play, that is, rather than pay-to-win). Making your service free but selling vanity/convenience items. Although applying that to a website takes us into Delphi territory.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Oct 2011 19:09
To: Mouse 25 of 104
Someone with more clevers than me once said, "go ahead and use this service for free, it doesn't really cost me much if you do, and I'm happy to help people when I can."

It was me. Multiple times.

And no doubt plenty of other people too.

Not everyone on earth is a money-hungry selfish twat.