Tottenham - what gives?

From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 9 Aug 2011 20:11
To: ANT_THOMAS 142 of 298
quote: ANT_THOMAS
If people had guns like you guys do then so would the rioters.

Kinda ironic, given how it all started.
From: ANT_THOMAS 9 Aug 2011 20:13
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 143 of 298
To be honest I have no idea how to react to all this apart from being embarrassed really.
From: Kriv 9 Aug 2011 20:35
To: ALL144 of 298

Oooh apparently kicking off up the road. I can smell burning.

 

:(

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 Aug 2011 20:36
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 145 of 298
You don't need guns, you just need a bunch of angry Turks.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 20:45
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 146 of 298
Can't watch that at work. What do they do, beat them with legs?

And what difference does using a pipe, club, knife as opposed to a gun? The intent to hurt or kill someone doesn't go away just because you don't have a gun!
From: ANT_THOMAS 9 Aug 2011 20:48
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 147 of 298
Very true, but thankfully the available "weapons" aren't as lethal.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 20:50
To: ANT_THOMAS 148 of 298
Fire and cars kill people! I know because I saw it in a video game once!
From: patch 9 Aug 2011 20:52
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 149 of 298
Because pipes and clubs and knives aren't as easy to use as a gun. You have to get up close to use them. You have to really mean it.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 20:53
To: patch 150 of 298
haha that made me laugh.

I was once hit in the face with a pipe. I'm sure he meant it as well.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 Aug 2011 20:54
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 151 of 298
Nope, just chase after them shouting.

One guy had a pipe/stick/whatever, but wasn't seen to use it.

I think this describes it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8691761/London-riots-residents-fight-back.html
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 20:56
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 152 of 298
Now just picture that scene but instead of a group of people make it a fine red dot following each of the rioters down the street.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 Aug 2011 20:57
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 153 of 298
You're still alive though.

A gun shot to the face could easily have been a different story. :/



There's been one confirmed fatality in all this - a guy who got shot.

Are you saying if he had a gun he wouldn't have been shot? And that if everyone had guns there would be less injured people?
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 20:59
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 154 of 298
No, but I am saying that the store owners could put an end to it much faster. Possibly with more fatalities, possibly with rioters getting smart very fast.
From: patch 9 Aug 2011 21:04
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 155 of 298
Yay! Dead people! The perfect way to end anything.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 21:05
To: patch 156 of 298
They don't have to die. How can you die when you are home minding your business?
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 21:07
To: ALL157 of 298
Amazon UK's top sellers.
From: patch 9 Aug 2011 21:07
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 158 of 298
True, the availability of guns certainly calmed down those tensions in LA in 1992.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 9 Aug 2011 21:09
To: patch 159 of 298
This doesn't look too out of balance to me. More like natural selection.
From: patch 9 Aug 2011 21:13
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 160 of 298
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 Aug 2011 21:15
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 161 of 298

We don't need guns - we just need more people like those store owners - i.e. actual communities that stand up for each other.

 

If people were like that everywhere - and if the Met weren't apparently so slow and useless - this probably wouldn't have gone as far and for so long as it has done.

 


If looters are constantly turned away from being able to loot, they'll eventually get bored, but every time they're successful it empowers them to keep going, and potentially get do more severe things.

EDITED: 9 Aug 2011 21:17 by BOUGHTONP