To AV or not to AV

From: Mouse 4 May 2011 22:05
To: Jo (JELLS) 50 of 115
Where's yer blog?
From: Jo (JELLS) 4 May 2011 22:42
To: Mouse 51 of 115
From: Mouse 4 May 2011 22:58
To: Jo (JELLS) 52 of 115
Cheers, I will plug it into the monster that is my Google Reader account.
From: johngti_mk-ii 5 May 2011 07:35
To: ALL54 of 115

well fuck the lot of you education experts - try doing the job if you think teachers are generally shit. In my experience the vast majority of teachers are fully committed, hard-working people who care a lot about what their students get out of being in school. They put in ridiculousy long hours and put up with a load of crap from kids who don't want to be there. And my experience is 6 different educational settings that covers the range from selective grammar schools, further education and bottom of the heap secondary moderns so I'm pretty well-qualified to comment.

 

If you really want someone to blame, look at society and parents. Education and being educated is looked down on in the uk. It's seen as being ok to be ignorant. A significant minority of parents offer no support to schools, teachers or the principle of being open to new ideas.

 

The only other jobs where you have the potential to be told to fuck off, to your face, on a daily basis are things like police and health care. But fuck it, schools and teachers are an easy target aren't they :@

From: Radio 5 May 2011 07:40
To: ALL55 of 115

Dragging the thread back onto topic, I'm voting yes.
I was already voting yes, but the nasty tone and lies within the 'No' campaign has just made me more committed.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 5 May 2011 08:29
To: johngti_mk-ii 56 of 115

I don't think anyone's dissing teachers particularly, they're asked to do an impossible job because the system is fucked from top to bottom. We have a enlightenment/early industrial education system in a postmodern/post-industrial/information-driven world, and it's not at all appropriate.

 

Having said that, in my experience, the vast majority of teachers were shit.

EDITED: 5 May 2011 08:29 by X3N0PH0N
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 5 May 2011 08:32
To: johngti_mk-ii 57 of 115
Also, whether the job is a difficult one or not has nothing to do with whether anyone is any good at it or not.
From: DrBoff (BOFF) 5 May 2011 09:07
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 58 of 115
quote:
I don't think anyone's dissing teachers particularly


Understatement of the day.
From: Mouse 5 May 2011 09:16
To: ALL59 of 115
Where do I vote to show my appreciation of teachers? I am not one but see friends who are working bloody hard. They're important!


(obligatory 6 week holiday comment)
EDITED: 5 May 2011 09:16 by MOUSE
From: Dave!! 5 May 2011 09:54
To: Mouse 60 of 115
I'd like to know too. Sure there are some crap teachers, but there's also plenty of good ones too. Admittedly I'm biased as my mum was a teacher, but I often remember her working until 9pm on marking and preparation stuff.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 5 May 2011 12:20
To: johngti_mk-ii 61 of 115
I had just finished a long reply, then this piece of shit Android rubbish killed it on me. :@ :@

Summarised version...

Fuck off! I never mentioned teachers at all. Nobody insulted teachers.

Teachers, like all people, come in all shapes and sizes. Some are good, some are bad.

My rant is against the structure/model used, not against those that are (mostly) doing their best with what we have.

It's not about blaming anyone (except the shit governments who don't care about it), it's just a bad system that evolved this way over time.

I see the attitude of "stupid is ok" as a sign of the problem, not the cause.


I might have had something else, but I can't remember it if I did. Stupid Android. :@
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 5 May 2011 12:28
To: ALL62 of 115
Anyway, I now need to go out and find something to put in my mouth.

Might as well take a brief detour and hopefully annoy some Conservatives.

(It is today, right?)
From: Jo (JELLS) 5 May 2011 12:31
To: ALL63 of 115
David Blunkett admits that the No side used made-up numbers when they claimed AV would cost £250-mn.
EDITED: 5 May 2011 15:39 by JELLS
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 5 May 2011 12:34
To: Jo (JELLS) 64 of 115
Broken link?
From: Jo (JELLS) 5 May 2011 15:39
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 65 of 115
Weird. Fixed it now.
From: koswix 5 May 2011 15:52
To: Jo (JELLS) 66 of 115
Heh, doesn't surprise me.

I did like some of the comments, though:

quote:
I second that.

Blunkett and his ilk - career politicians more concerned about their own perceived rather than their duty to the electorate - ALL of the electorate, not just the 30% or so of each constituency that keeps returning them to parliament under FTTP.



Best argument for AV yet. If we can only return people to parliament via FTTP I think that leaves us with a choice between Skynet and PB :D
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 6 May 2011 00:51
To: ALL67 of 115
WTF?

We have to wait until 4pm until they even start counting.

What's the point in that? :|
From: koswix 6 May 2011 03:10
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 68 of 115

I dunno, but I'm watching the Scottish election results coming in. Looks like a landslide for the SNP 8-O :D

 

Most seats so far have a swing of about 15% to the SNP which is really significant. I don't think any of the Lib Dem candidates that have been counted so far have even for their deposits back. Of course with the Scottish system there will be a redressing of the vote in the second list, but the way Labour do things they're going to lose a LOT of their big guns* tonight.

 

 

 

*that's as in not big enough for Westminster but hell, it's only Holyrood. They'll accept any old crap up there.

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 6 May 2011 03:23
To: koswix 69 of 115
What's the second list?