Sony Bastards

From: koswix26 Apr 2011 23:12
To: Matt 19 of 157

Hmm - I use one strong password for sites/things that are anything to do with money stuff, because I am incapable of remembering more than one strong password :$

 

I would like an app on my laptop, PC and Android that would let me easily store and sync (and generate new ones when registering for sites) passwords. That would be good. Does keypass do this?

From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)26 Apr 2011 23:13
To: koswix 20 of 157
You could check into LastPass. That's what I use.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)26 Apr 2011 23:16
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 21 of 157
Well, that bit was semi-sarcastic, you don't need lots, but you do need to have more than one.

It shouldn't be possible to access actual customer databases from the Internet - only via applications that indirectly access it (one record at a time, so users can check/modify their own data).
The database itself, and all the software that does bulk stuff should be behind a completely separate firewall, only accessible from within the company network.

In addition to that, sensitive data should be encrypted.
Perhaps the "may" is because credit card data was actually encrypted (but not securely enough to prevent decryption).
Passwords should have been one-way encrypted with a salted hash, including a secret part which is not part of the database, making it near impossible to decrypt passwords if you've only got the database, and very hard even if you also have the source/secret code.

A company the size of Sony which deals with card payments should be independently audited to make sure of all this. :/
From: koswix26 Apr 2011 23:18
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 22 of 157
Does that store your passwords locally or on their servers?
From: Matt26 Apr 2011 23:21
To: koswix 23 of 157
Presumably, SCEE have PCI DSS compliance in the EU in order to store credit card numbers unencrypted. That means they've fucked up real bad.
From: koswix26 Apr 2011 23:25
To: Matt 24 of 157
You mean they filled in a questionaire?
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)26 Apr 2011 23:25
To: koswix 25 of 157
Just on their servers. LastPass
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)26 Apr 2011 23:26
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 26 of 157

I know it was sarcastic. I was being dumb.

 

They should know better and I hope they pay for it!

From: Matt26 Apr 2011 23:26
To: koswix 27 of 157
Yes, but it doesn't do syncing itself. Syncing by Dropbox is a pretty good solution which I hadn't thought about, previously mentioned security concerns considered.

You can get Keypass (KeyPassDroid) and Dropbox clients for Android. I haven't tried creating new passwords in KeyPassDroid, I just use it to copy passwords from, and the Dropbox client for Android doesn't do automatic sync as far as I can tell (probably so it doesn't munch your bandwidth), rather you download and upload files manually to it.
From: koswix26 Apr 2011 23:27
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 28 of 157
in that case, I don't trust them :C
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)26 Apr 2011 23:28
To: koswix 29 of 157

Can't be any worse than Sony! :-&

 

At least LastPass encrypts my stuff!

From: Matt26 Apr 2011 23:29
To: koswix 30 of 157
I don't know what is involved, I just know it costs quite a bit if you fail compliance. According to the Evolve Online site, it's €5 per compromised account and €100,000 fine per incident.

So that's at least €100,015 fine of the people in this thread I know have PSN accounts.
From: patch26 Apr 2011 23:35
To: koswix 31 of 157

Self-certification (wrong term, but I can't think of the right one at the moment) can only be done by smaller companies who handle a smaller number of transactions every year. Large companies have to be audited by a certified QSA.

 

The only problem is that the actual requirements in PCI DSS are a bit vague in places, and what you need to do to achieve compliance depends on the interpretation of the QSA. Sony's lawyers will just end up saying that they were compliant so long as you squint at it from the right angle.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)27 Apr 2011 00:27
To: ALL32 of 157
Could someone explain how (in actual use) this keepass thing works? I don't really care much about security, but if it's a thing that can remember and fill in my password/s for me, then I'm interested.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)27 Apr 2011 01:19
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 33 of 157
That's what LastPass does. Haven't used Keypass for a long time and I can't remember how it works.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)27 Apr 2011 02:09
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 34 of 157
Ok, which is BETTER?
From: koswix27 Apr 2011 02:11
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 35 of 157
Lastpass want you to pay to use their Android app :(
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)27 Apr 2011 02:11
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 36 of 157
I love lastpass because it is available on all my browsers, work, home, where ever. Of course it's BETTER because I'm using it! I wouldn't use the inferior product man!
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)27 Apr 2011 02:11
To: koswix 37 of 157
Well that's fine since I don't have an Android.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)27 Apr 2011 02:12
To: koswix 38 of 157
Yeah, I didn't like that. But it's not that expensive is it?