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Libya

From: graphitone10 Mar 2011 16:52
To: JonCooper 61 of 80
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(nod)
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From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Mar 2011 01:16
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France and Britain failed to persuade other world powers meeting in Paris to impose a no-fly zone over the country

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Alain Juppé, the French foreign minister said: "If we had used military force last week to neutralise some airstrips and the several dozen planes that they have, perhaps the reversal taking place to the detriment of the opposition wouldn't have happened. But that's the past. Gaddafi is scoring points. We have perhaps missed a chance to restore the balance."

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"They are bombing everywhere. They are killing people, civilians, whatever," said Sherif Layas, 34, who was a marketing manager before he took up arms and joined Libya's revolution.
He added that Gaddafi's forces were about to reach the point where the rebels would be unable to resist without outside help. "This is the death line, right here," he said.

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Insurgents have been desperately calling for a no-fly zone, and the Arab League came out in support over the weekend.

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David Cameron said the Gaddafi regime had already committed "multiple breaches" of an existing UN resolution.



So the Libyans and the Arab League have been asking for help, British and French governments want to give it ... but they're not allowed, because Germany, Russia and China are making making deals with Garfield to get cheap oil in return for vetoing any attempts to protect the Libyan citizens?
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From: Mouse16 Mar 2011 01:24
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 63 of 80
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Urgh... the whole thing has the ugly tone of world war history text.
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From: Manthorp16 Mar 2011 08:01
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 64 of 80
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...because Germany, Russia and China are making making deals with Garfield to get cheap oil in return for vetoing any attempts to protect the Libyan citizens?


You missed one of the stickers-of-spanners-in-the-works mentioned in the article:

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following resistance from Russia, Germany and the US. China, a United Nations security council veto-holder, is also opposed.


There is, sadly, no de facto correspondence between international politics and human morality.
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From: steve16 Mar 2011 11:48
To: Manthorp 65 of 80
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At least the US and China agree. I suspected WWIII when the US went in to steal China's oil.
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From: Matt16 Mar 2011 12:06
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 66 of 80
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I'm surprised the government even decided it was a good idea. Don't we usually go ask our US puppet masters what they think first?

As for the French, surprised they even care.

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From: Matt16 Mar 2011 12:11
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 67 of 80
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Actually, as for the French government voting in agreement for the no fly zone, they probably voted for it knowing it wouldn't be passed by the other countries, and now they can claim the moral high ground and Sarcozy gets some much needed brownie points.

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From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Mar 2011 13:12
To: Manthorp 68 of 80
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Oh... missed that - they were only mentioned once at the top, not later on like the rest.

I assume they're dragging their feet for other reasons.
I've read a couple of references to Obama wanting to react, but not actually doing anything.


This whole world is too screwed up. :(
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From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)16 Mar 2011 16:51
To: steve 69 of 80
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Umm, China doesn't have any oil, does it? Just coal, and no fucker wants /that/. :?
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From: ANT_THOMAS16 Mar 2011 16:54
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 70 of 80
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But shit loads of rare earth metals which they're clamping down on the export of.
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From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)16 Mar 2011 16:55
To: ALL71 of 80
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I suspect that France and Britain will be fucked in the eyes of Gaddafi when he finally finishes with the rebels, so no more Libyan oil. But I'd love to see Cameron trying to smarm his way back into Libya's good books. Something about a little misunderstanding methinks.

 

Should've backed a winner guys!

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From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)16 Mar 2011 16:55
To: ANT_THOMAS 72 of 80
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Indeed, but you can't burn rare earth metals.
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From: steve16 Mar 2011 16:58
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 73 of 80
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Other way around - Liyba provides China with quite a lot of its oil, so if the US went in then China would be cross :C
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From: ANT_THOMAS16 Mar 2011 16:58
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 74 of 80
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It'll stop tech supplies though! But yeah, oil is much more important in things like this.
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From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Mar 2011 17:01
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 75 of 80
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He's already said that - see the link I posted:
quote: (paraphrased)
Fuckoff West; only Russia, China, and India are having my oil now.


Won't Cameron just get even more friendlier with Saudis and so on?
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From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)16 Mar 2011 21:01
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 76 of 80
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I suspect that the only people interested in being friendly with the smarmy leader of a fading nation are his hair stylist and owner of his local cycle emporium.
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From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)18 Mar 2011 21:08
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About fucking time!
Barack Obama warned Gadhafi on Friday to immediately stop the "brutal repression" of Libyan civilians or face military consequences from a unified international community.

(Germany, Russia, and China abstained instead of vetoing.)
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From: koswix18 Mar 2011 21:40
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 79 of 80
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Yes.

 

Now if only we had some kind of large boat, with a big flat deck area that could somehow be used for launching and retrieving aircraft.

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From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)19 Mar 2011 00:06
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http://media.photobucket.com/image/garbage%20scow/MainyYak/Yakmilkbeeristan_Navy.jpg?o=5
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