Yes, but BP's point I believe is that there's loads of different definitions about when it does and doesn't start. As has been mentioned, I think it's daft that it supposedly begins on the shortest day.

That's the definition of winter i've always gone by.

Indeed it was, but to expand on what Dave!! pointed out, sp hadn't mentioned that it was the Astronomical definition.
Personally I find the climatic definition to be the most sensible - since winter is generally 'the cold part of the year', so why not make it align with the actual coldest part of the year.
(and the time of the year when the autumn leaves have mostly finished falling and the time where mid-winter is actually in the middle.)

Well, here at least, the coldest part of the year probably is between about Dec 21st and March 21st. It's not gotten really frigid yet and it doesn't tend to start thawing out until the end of March.

it does align with the cold part of the year, end of Dec to end of March

I disagree. I consider December in general to be colder than March. We've already been having frosts and whatnot here. I tend to find those begin dying out towards the end of Feb / beginning of March.

eh? frosts? nah, it hasn't dipped below 10^O yet (here)

start of december, to mid-march.

It certainly has here in Sheffield and the trees no longer have any leaves that can be shed. It's winter here.

 

And the wind that is managing to shake my house worries me.

Oi! Dirty ghost Patrick! Irrespective of the meteorological nicities with which the rest of the possie define the bleak midwinter, I say it is nigh and I want an album of warming winter grooves to snuggle up to the missus with.

well, you could have one now but it would be shortish, I would like some more reccomendations please

pull your weight forum! 

Aye, get a bloody move on. Last one to post her or his two wintery songs is a pocket-fluffy werthers.

Running time as stands - 52:03 from 13 Tracks

shite

come along folks, think warm cozy nights by the fire, think mulled wine, think walks in the snow on crisp clear mornings, think sledging with dad, just.... THINK!! 

I will add "That Was The Worst Christmas Ever!" by Sufjan Stevens please. Again can supply if need be.

I should like to add

 

"Fairytale of New York." by The Pogues

 

I particularly like the line: "You scumbag, you maggot, You cheap lousy faggot, Happy Christmas, your arse, I thank God it's our last".

I would like to nominate "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from Mr Hankey's Christmas Classics.

(Except I would remove the rapidly becoming myself.)

Christmas Rapping by The Waitresses. Just because.

ah well, since it's about the only song that means xmas to me I withdraw from nominations.

You could just beat manthorp round the head?