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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.0&return_msg=43086.4"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.11">11–17</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=43086.4">AI</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="43086_4_17_10"> <a name="a43086_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 Jan 10:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 10:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4">43086.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.1">43086.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This is a pretty good explainer: <a href="https://www.techpolicy.press/challenging-the-myths-of-generative-ai/">https://www.techpolicy.press/challenging-the-myths-of-generative-ai/</a><br /> <br /> AI has (reportedly) proven itself helpful in certain use cases (science, medicine).* In cultural applications, the copyright thing is a deal breaker, and the idea that corporate smurfs are going to start firing AI-generated bumpf back and forth at each other is both hilarious and probably true. Energy consumption is off the charts stupid, so that kind of negates the entire "intelligence" angle right there.<br /> <br /> *also, it's a great excuse for precision carpet bombing (the AI did it!).<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 20 Jan 10:39 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.4&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">20 Jan 10:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 12:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.5">43086.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.3">43086.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And I tend to agree with what you all say. Using public money to fund it is another matter. The Labour party has been quite up front in that they think it will enable them to reduce the size of the Civil Service. My prediction is that it will actually add to the complexity with which the Civil Service deals, but the government (what ever flavour is in power when the decisions are made) will reduce the size of the Civil Service anyway. Since the areas which will be reduced in this way will, inevitably, be those dealing with public provision - welfare, public planning, taxation, the NHS etc. - these will become even more inefficient, intractable, and other words beginning with "in".<br /> <br /> Clearly, this will will provide another way in for private provision of public services. It will seem to be simply a logical extension of the existing system, since private companies will be the principal beneficiaries of all the investment in AI and "best placed" to handle what is "not core business".<br /> <br /> This pessimism aside, it is blindingly obvious that the small coterie of not-especially-bright people around Starmer have seized on AI as something new and SEXY that all the big boys are playing with. It's such a no-brainer for them to give the thumbs up to investment. In truth, if they all spent a month being educated about what it does and what it is actually capable of, they would be no nearer having any real understanding of what it is. It convinces me even more (if I needed it) that our present bunch of leaders, and this is world-wide, would have to pull their socks up and work flat out to even be considered third rate.<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.5&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">20 Jan 12:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 12:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.6">43086.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4#a43086_5" target="_self">43086.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah it'll be another mechanism to erode public services and trust in them, for sure.<br /> <br /> And I don't think it'll even be intentional. It'll just be what seems like the natural course of events to the dumb fucks bringing it about.<br /> <br /> At least Thatcher was doing it intentionally.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.6&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">21 Jan 09:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Jan 10:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.7">43086.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.1">43086.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've had a subscription to ChatGPT since basically Day 1. On one hand I love it, it's really clever, on the other hand.....wow, it can be crap at times.<br /> <br /> For me, it's become a secondary form of Google search most of the time - it's pretty good for pointing you towards things that you dont' even know where to start.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, it loves a good hallucination and will send you down an utter rabbit hole if you let it. Most of my job is doing "weird" stuff - i.e., developing things that aren't well defined or well solved on the internet, so I have to be really really careful trusting GPT.<br /> <br /> I once spent hours trying to get something working that it signposted me towards, only to find out that fundamentally you can't do what it was saying.<br /> <br /> It's very very limited, and it terrifies me that people don't understand that<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 Jan 09:51 by PILOTDAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.7&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">21 Jan 10:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">8 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.8">43086.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <br /> <br /> My experience of AI so far is that it's a convincing liar, unless you ask it to do maths, draw hands, or do anything involving anything that anyone has ever been slightly sarcastic about, ever.<br /> <br /> Nevertheless, the company I work for is attempting to incorporate some AI stuff into the product, and while the ability to kick tasks off and get information back by asking questions in natural language looks absolutely great in demos, I'm concerned about how much oversight and checking will be required to make sure things are correct, vs if we just keep using humans.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.8&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.8"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">21 Jan 14:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 09:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.9">43086.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4#a43086_8" target="_self">43086.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I recognise what you and Dan are saying, and it certainly chimes with my experience. Whether it's bizarre shadow artefacts that Topaz AI creates, or ChatGPT making errors in a synopsis (to the extent of inventing plot lines in one case), it's not something I'd want to go all-in with. Which is why I worry about the government's direction. In my experience, the more you ask of the various products, the more likely they are to veer off course. The government sounds like it's intending to ask a huge amount. I anticipate some disasters, a vast waste of money and an awful lot of unhappy people. Hint: those unhappy people won't be the vendors of AI products and services.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.9&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">21 Jan 18:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">10 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.10">43086.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We have Github CoPilot at work. In my experience it works really well if you use IDE integration and have it suggest complete blocks of code. It is still very dependent on context of course, which as far as I can tell in the case of JetBrains IDE integration is based on files you currently have open, rather than the loaded project. It's certainly a step up from the single variable/type auto-complete us software engineers are more familiar with.<br /> <br /> For generation of code based on asking for a solution, it is more hit and miss and does often need the input refined to be able to generate the correct solution, but it's still miles better than doom scrolling Google search results for links to Stack Overflow, which Google is really bad for these days IMO</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.10&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">27 Jan 22:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">11 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.11">43086.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4#a43086_10" target="_self">43086.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Interesting to note that the introduction of AI within the public service (and as anticipated it's social services chosen for the risk and suffering) has not been a huge success so far <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/27/ai-prototypes-uk-welfare-system-dropped">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/27/ai-prototypes-uk-welfare-system-dropped</a><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.11&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Jan 10:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Jan 10:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.12">43086.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4#a43086_11" target="_self">43086.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "does the reality of AI match the rhetoric?”<br /> <br /> Not even close.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.12&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43086_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_43086_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">29 Jan 09:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 13:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.13">43086.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43086.4#a43086_12" target="_self">43086.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Anybiody worried about the chances of AI becoming self aware can relax a little in the knowledge that the developers of OpenAI at least have a predictable lack of insight and self awareness. Reports today suggest they are accusing the Chinese developers of DeepSeek of plagiarism. Without a trace of (understanding of) irony, they claim there is evidence that DeepSeek <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2025/jan/29/openai-china-deepseek-model-train-ai-chatbot-r1-distillation-ftse-100-federal-reserve-bank-of-england-business-live">used OpenAI as a source for training</a>.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43086.13&return_msg=43086.4" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43086.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43086.14" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>