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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.0&return_msg=43059.22"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.31">31–37</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=43059.22">Deadwood</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="43059_22_37_10"> <a name="a43059_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 12:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 12:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22">43059.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.21">43059.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There's been quite a few great westerns (including modern-era westerns, if you count stuff like No Country for Old Men) released in the intervening years, along with the usual duds. Bone Tomahawk is pretty wild.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.22&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 12:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 12:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.23">43059.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.21">43059.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> > there's a voice that says "you don't want to watch cowboy shows".<br /> <br /> Yeah, that's why it took me 20 years to watch this. I often enjoy cowboy things when I watch them, but I don't think I ever enjoy the setting itself. To enjoy that *setting* I'd want something like Little House on the Prairie, I think (I dunno, not seen it since I was like 12 but I remember enjoying the setting!)<br /> <br /> But, and this will sound like wankery, but Deadwood isn't *really* a cowboy show. In the same way that Sopranos isn't a mafia thing as like Godfather or Goodfellas are. But more so, it's more not a cowboy show than Sopranos isn't a mafia show. It has some of the trappings like the saloon is a big deal and there's a [redacted] of [redacted] who're [redacted] and there's like literally one [redacted] but they're all used differently, and for different reasons.<br /> <br /> It's a *little* bit a deconstruction of cowboy mythos and stuff. But it's much more just using that setting to talk about something.<br /> <br /> If it helps, the writer initially wanted to make a show set in ancient Rome, following civic guards before Roman law was codified. But HBO wouldn't let him cos they were already making Rome. So he switched it to the old west.<br /> <br /> Anyway, no need to convince you since you're onboard! You *shan't* regret it!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.23&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 12:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 12:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.24">43059.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.21">43059.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I tried to watch Yellowstone but I'd just watched Succession and it just seemed like Succession but way more boring.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.24&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 13:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.25">43059.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_22" target="_self">43059.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes to NCFOM, no to Bone Tomahawk. In the latter case, same reason I didn't like reading American Psycho. Too close to violence/cruelty porn. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.25&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 13:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.26">43059.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_23" target="_self">43059.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hah ha! <br /> <br /> "the writer initially wanted to make a show set in ancient Rome"<br /> <br /> If you ever feel you're missing something by not reading detective/whodunnit stuff, try the 'Falco' series by Lindsey Davis. Set in Rome during the rule of Vespasian. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.26&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 13:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.27">43059.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_26" target="_self">43059.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That sounds cool. I will add that to me list.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.27&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 13:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.28">43059.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_25" target="_self">43059.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It is as much a horror movie as a western, which by many contemporary accounts, the old west wasn't far from. So maybe a more accurate depiction, FWIW. Otherwise it's just a proverbial horse opera.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.28&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">29 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.29">43059.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <strong>Books sort-of-about cowboys to whatever degree that I have read and thought excellent but as yet not seen a movie or television adaptation of:</strong><br /> <br /> Lonesome Dove<br /> Blood Meridian<br /> All The Pretty Horses<br /> Butcher's Crossing<br /> <br /> <strong>Books etc and so on where I have also watched the thing:</strong><br /> <br /> True Grit, both movies are worth a look for different reasons. It's pretty standard cowpokin' though I guess, not exactly anything else to say.<br /> Sisters Brothers as mentioned, it's pretty funny.<br /> The Revenant: surviving bleak conditions for a long time.<br /> <br /> <strong>Ones where it's just the movie or TV I have experienced in most cases even if there is a book:</strong><br /> <br /> Hateful 8: Quentin Does Cowboys and it's exactly what you'd anticipate.<br /> Outer Range: Nice setup, waste of time execution, avoid this.<br /> The Ballad of Buster Scruggs: Coen Brothers Do Cowboys (again) and it's exactly what you'd anticipate. Provided a handy "First time?" meme to the Internet.<br /> 3:10 to Yuma: Cowboys and Trains, just like they used to do, so standard action really.<br /> The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford: Can't really remember, but it is well-regarded so perhaps I will try again. I think Nick Cave has a cameo in it for some reason.<br /> The Proposition: They have cowboys in Australia?! Nick Cave wrote this and did the soundtrack with Warren Ellis.<br /> Tombstone: I have noticed people recently saying this was an overlooked gem and have intended to get around to watching it and finding out if they're right.<br /> Then assorted Sergio Leone and Clint Eastwood and Kevin Costner of course.<br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 Sep 13:52 by MILKO</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.29&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 13:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 14:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.30">43059.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_27" target="_self">43059.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> She churns them out, but they're fun. Historical detectives are really only a subset of a subset with Cadfael probably the best known. I do like Falco though. There's a brooding cynicism to him that gives the series a satisfying noir feel.<br /> <br /> Yeah, about Yellowstone. I think you have to be able to at least sympathise a bit with the main characters. John Dutton III is just unlikeable. Packed to the gills with entitlement and casual brutality. But the main problem is he's boring. I don't give a fuck about his plans and intrigues. Probably doesn't help that I don't find Kevin Costner a very appealing character in real life.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.30&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 14:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 14:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.31">43059.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.22#a43059_30" target="_self">43059.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, that's exactly the impression I got.<br /> <br /> The characters in Succession are all horrible people. But they're either charismatic or their flaws are interesting or have *something* going on.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.31&return_msg=43059.22" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43059.32" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>