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I've never really been into that setting but Deadwood has whet my appetite.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.11&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 09:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 11:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.12">43059.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.10">43059.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's interesting. There's a whole batch of those: Death in Paradise, Midsummer Murders, Jonathan Creek etc. with more starting up all the time. Usually people assume that because there's a superficial similarity to Agatha Christie's books, that she's pretty much the same. Considering that her writing is usually adapted and presented in a comfortable middle brow, Middle-England way* that's not surprising. But it's not the whole picture. A few years ago, I bought my mum all of the Agatha Christie books as a birthday present, and then read them myself when I visited her. There's a reason she succeeded. She's a really good writer. Also, her work is far more insightful and nuanced than the stuff churned out for most telly whodunnits. Most important, she doesn't have a casual attitude to death. In most TV stuff, the meat of the story is the 'how' and the 'who'. There's usually a nod to the deceased as a human, but only because the 'why' helps with the other components. In her writing, the moral impact of a death is (usually) front and centre.<br /> <br /> *I do think that Hercule Poirot was nicely portrayed with all his modern-man 1920s habits in the David Suchet version, although I prefer the radio adaptations. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.12&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 11:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 13:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.13">43059.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_12" target="_self">43059.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, that's them. I get why that stuff is made - it's switch your brain off and relax stuff, which is fine, I have my own versions of that.<br /> <br /> I only learned fairly recently that Agatha Christie is actually a *good writer*. Which you'd never really guess from most of the TV stuff. I read a bit of her stuff and it's not for me but yeah she could certainly write good.<br /> <br /> And I did always enjoy a Poirot when one came on.<br /> <br /> What you're saying about the moral weight of the murder makes me think of the transition from hardboiled/film noir style crime drama to the police procedural. Which I've been learning a bit about recently.<br /> <br /> In the 30s-50s, TV/film crime drama tended to frame crime as a social problem rather than as individual pathology. The criminals were often sympathetically drawn, you'd get a lot of time from their point of view, they were normal people pushed to extremes by circumstance rather than bad people looking for an opportunity to be bad. And the cop's, who's explicitly from the same social class as the criminals, job was kinda moral arbitration rather than straight up law enforcement.<br /> <br /> Then the McCarthy Witch Hunts happened and anyone with even a vaguely social-construction take on crime was booted out of media production and the police procedural took over. Very much from the cop's point of view, very much crime as pathology and cop as unambiguous hero.<br /> <br /> (The Wire gets a lot of credit for flipping that a bit but honestly I think it's mostly undeserved. The extent to which it depicted crime as a social problem is hugely overstated (as is its quality imo). It spent a *tiny* bit more time with the criminals than the norm but that seemed more in service of making them compelling villains than in humanising them, to me.)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Sep 11:00 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.13&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">16 Sep 11:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">14 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.14">43059.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> every time I see a Deadwood mention, I go looking up quotes. Such good TV, such great characters. I could listen to Swearengen, EB Farnum, Jane, and the Doc's lines so happily. No doubt forgetting some others as well.<br /> <br /> Yeah the movie was exactly as you describe, a sweet little epilogue really, a nice way to check in on survivors and whatnot but not essential to it at all.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.14&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 11:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.15">43059.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_14" target="_self">43059.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I adored Jane. There's a bit where she and Charlie meet up and talk to Bill's grave and it's so fucking sweet and tragic and also funny. I think Jane and Charlie are the characters I felt the most affection for.<br /> <br /> But EB Farnham! That fucking performance. Making that character *work* is incredible. Not evil, just *disgusting* (a "grotesque"). And yet still somehow kinda loveable through it all.<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.15&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 12:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 12:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.16">43059.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_15" target="_self">43059.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> ( <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIXYlrN8D8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIXYlrN8D8</a> )</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.16&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 12:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 14:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.17">43059.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_11" target="_self">43059.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You might like Sisters Brothers.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.17&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 14:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 16:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.18">43059.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_17" target="_self">43059.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Will have a look, thanks!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.18&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 16:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 17:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.19">43059.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_18" target="_self">43059.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Great book too.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.19&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43059_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_43059_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">17 Sep 09:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 12:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 37</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.20">43059.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43059.11#a43059_19" target="_self">43059.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I liked the book more than the film I think, it was pretty good. Not really in the Deadwood league but fun all the same.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43059.20&return_msg=43059.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43059.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43059.21" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>