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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.0&return_msg=43054.16"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.41">41–49</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=43054.16">The web doesn't exist :O</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="43054_16_49_10"> <a name="a43054_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 20:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 20:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16">43054.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.15">43054.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> As to word processing being a mistake...<br /> <br /> The vast majority of what word processing is used for (internal memos, letters and the like) would be better as plaintext. It'd be quicker to write and easier to read.<br /> <br /> For most of the rest, where rich formatting is actually required, a (consumer-level) 'DTP'/page setting application would be better. It's telling that most of my friends, when needing to make a flyer or leaflet or whatever, will use Powerpoint/similar rather than a word processor.<br /> <br /> For anything that's to be professionally typeset, I'm 100% certain the typesetter would rather work with plaintext documents than word processor output.<br /> <br /> And now we've got markdown which does what basic word processing does way better than any word processor, in cases where you want some basic typography.<br /> <br /> A world where we'd normalised around plaintext and had nice tools (and things like markdown much earlier) is a nicer world. Hopefully PDFs would never have become a thing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.16&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 21:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 23:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.17">43054.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.15">43054.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, that's the kind of thing I thought. I've never (really) been a dev working for a client. To a degree I was one of the clients, plus being the dev trying to get things as wanted. In short, it was a bit of a bugger. Working out what has to be done to get close is a learning curve, but also something of a waste of time, because it will all be different next time, when the theme or the plugins are updated or whatever.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.17&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 21:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 23:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.18">43054.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_16" target="_self">43054.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Oh yeah, and I almost forgot. All the shit that doesn't work properly in 2024. My site is set up as a site for members using groups, forums, chat etc. So Buddypress/bbPress/Wordpress. All fairly standard. But the handling of posts is infinitely better in Beehive. The pure embarrassment of explaining (again) to somebody who posts from a Word document or Libre Office that their post is full of tags in this part of the site , but not in that part. That their careful paragraph creation is fine here, but missing there... That sometimes their posts vanish altogether because the space-saving hide posts feature is broken sometimes and doesn't display the 'show all posts' option... </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.18&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 22:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 23:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.19">43054.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.15">43054.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> When I was working, I always told clients ip front I could code them a better, more functional, performant, customizable, easily updated, and transferable to different hosting, web site with HTML5 (I used JQuery heavily for bells and whistles, but this would have not meant anything to the client). Clients liked the idea of being to make their own site edits but in truth they would hand it off to developers anyway, after they fucked it up good.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.19&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">29 Aug 09:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 10:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.20">43054.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_19" target="_self">43054.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">after they fucked it up good</div> <br /> An occurrence that's made extremely likely by the ways that Wordpress with its themes and plugins can be modified. The official ways that is: odd, cumbersome, and varied ways, from mysterious editing functions to directly injecting HTML into a theme (additional CSS). </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.20&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Aug 10:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 10:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.21">43054.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_20" target="_self">43054.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> These things can usually be patched up, at 10X the time (and cost) of properly formatted, hand-coded source.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.21&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mouse<span class="message_time">31 Aug 23:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Sep 01:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.22">43054.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.1">43054.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This is maybe worth posting<br /> <br /> <a href="https://indieweb.org/">https://indieweb.org/</a><br /> <br /> I miss the Internet without massive Silos too.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.22&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 1 Sep 01:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mouse <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Sep 12:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.23">43054.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_22" target="_self">43054.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's cool!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.23&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 1 Sep 12:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mouse <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Sep 12:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.24">43054.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_22" target="_self">43054.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Interesting. Is it mainly discussion groups with a charter, a hosting platform, blogging thingy, or roll your own?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.24&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43054_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_43054_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mouse<span class="message_time"> 1 Sep 12:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Sep 16:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.25">43054.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43054.16#a43054_24" target="_self">43054.24</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Roll your own but with standards that allow for intersection. I think.<br /> <br /> Webrings basically ????</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43054.25&return_msg=43054.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43054.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43054.26" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>