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But point taken, even though I was thinking more of a budget Ryzen than a Threadripper 7960X. <br /> <br /> You're right, there are better uses for money I can ill aford to waste.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.3&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">23 Aug 14:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 14:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.4">43053.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_3" target="_self">43053.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm on deck for a cpu upgrade (a modest old Ryzen 5, likely) for my AM4. Still waiting for gpus to come down from the stratosphere. Also I'd have to rearrange the guts, not something I'm very fond of doing on a good day. Lots to do. <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":-("><span class="e__">:-(</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.4&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Aug 15:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 20:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.5">43053.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_4" target="_self">43053.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, GPUs are slowly dropping in price. My RTX3060 was £200 new from an ebay seller. It's one of the compact Asus Phoenix V2 jobbies with one fan, but frankly it's got all the RAM and the right number of transistors and so on so... I know it's <em>only</em> a lower mid-range card these days, but it impresses me. <br /> <br /> One of the big surprises was trying Topaz video enhancer. A big drawback was that if I ran, say, a 40 minute TV episode through the 1660 Super, it could easily take 8 hours plus. With the 3060 this dropped to under 2 hours. In other words it's far more practical to consider running an old DVD series through it. I noticed that the GPU was loaded pretty high, but that the CPU was as well. That was one thing that made me think about getting something a bit beefier. Then I read up a bit on the Ryzen 7 5700X 3D, but frankly the 5700X is faster and cheaper, although it doesn't have all the L3 (3D) cache. It looks to be better for workplace loads even if it's slightly worse as a gaming CPU. So that might be a better choice if I go insane and upgrade.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 23 Aug 15:12 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.5&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Aug 15:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 15:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.6">43053.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_5" target="_self">43053.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Also the Ryzen 7 5700X is a 65W CPU as opposed to 105W </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.6&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Aug 15:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 15:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.7">43053.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_6" target="_self">43053.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Also, too late...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.7&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">23 Aug 18:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 19:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.8">43053.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.1">43053.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Toughy. I upgraded late last year, keeping my current motherboard/case etc. But then again, I was going from a first generation Ryzen 7 1700X to a Ryzen 7 5800X, and replacing my GeForce 1070 Ti with a GeForce RTX 4070, so both were several generations of improvements (and I doubled the RAM as well).<br /> <br /> It would be much tougher I think to make the case for a smaller bump of CPU generation. Of course on the other side of this, you do eek out a bit more life from the mobo. If it was me, probably not worth it, but YMMV.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.8&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Aug 21:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Aug 10:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.9">43053.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_8" target="_self">43053.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> YMMV is the point. I'm reasonably happy to spend a couple of hundred to enjoy two or three games properly, plus the bits and pieces of tech stuff that keep me busy. I mean, I've been buying a whole new console every few years to play Mario/Zelda so...<br /> <br /> This is a comparatively small spend that will make a game that I played with a Cyrix 386 and a Matrox Mystique enjoyable again.<br /> <br /> Of course, I know what you're saying and it's a perfectly sensible way to spend your cash. I think my motivation is different so the changes in the world of gaming hardware are sometimes hard to follow. I guess if I was more of a gamer I'd lean more your way. I'm more like the bloke who enjoys a driving holiday every so often and figures some new tyres and a battery might get me there.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.9&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">24 Aug 18:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Aug 07:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.10">43053.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.1">43053.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If it'd make Riven more fun and immersive, and you can afford it, go for it!<br /> <br /> My computer's limping along. My GTX1070 died a while back and I had to replace it but had no money so ended up with a big downgrade. Which is fine since 99% of what I play is stuff that could run on a raspberry pi.<br /> <br /> I'm loathe to get a better GPU cos this PC is going to give up sometime and when that happens I've decided to get one of those Beelink mini-PC things that are basically just laptop hardware in a box. Usually using an AMD APU. Which would be fine for me and I'm very much done with dicking around with PC hardware.<br /> <br /> I did just treat myself to a <a href="https://officialmiyoomini.com/en_gb/product-category/miyoo-mini-plus/">Miyoo Mini Plus</a>*, since I had a tiny bit of spare money for the first time in like 3 years. It's on its way from China. <br /> <br /> * Cute little 'retro' handheld. Plays all games up to PS1. I'm not a retro gamer and I don't have much nostalgia for old games but I thought it'd be fun to play some of the old games I missed out on on a little handheld thing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.10&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 Aug 13:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Aug 14:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.11">43053.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_10" target="_self">43053.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I understand your decision to go for something like the Beelink as and when your present computer expires. I've found my last few adventures in hands-on fucking about with computers has been far less fun than it used to be. I built a tiny computer based on a mini stx motherboard a while back as opposed to buying a similar sized beast ready made. Although that was largely because I had some specific requirements, such as wanting to add two SATA HDDs to hold music plus a backup, there's no way I'd do it again. And no need to either when these days I can buy a higher spec computer that supports SATA drives for less than I spent and without the hassle of building it. Even if I wanted to to do some reasonably performance-hungry gaming, something like <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/MINISFORUM-Neptune-HX77G-Computer-xHDMI2-1/dp/B0C3B9RQB1/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1BY4UIRWH6DFT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.B_dVhxBTenzcMJR4YAdXKwk47UCsHVkxIZP82pSGee_tI5UtqhSlFwB8cn8lqlS4R6hQvP8Nbvc3XtinXm2HdXQewWbA_di6EbTOA6qX-b1BFpCBTl3X4osKwNRd6_UpDhB9uP9x_ImAM0ZnEYxURVhav5c1Quy1VeD2F3r4vidUicZoTeWUfBaZEiQOyHXjHVF9cZJNJ0hAdVKh-rhDYPyj0sFateGIFESdIm2eZVs.DoxlayTvhzqvUe-pOBAw1rA1-06FKP8v7ZqHPTfiEpc&dib_tag=se&keywords=minisforum+hx99g&qid=1724592466&sprefix=minisforum%2Caps%2C102&sr=8-1-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1">this </a>would make me think twice. More than competitive with what I have now for the same price as just my CPU, GPU and RAM. Add the cost of cooling, PSU, case, drives etc. and it doesn't make sense.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.11&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43053_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_43053_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">25 Aug 14:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Aug 14:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.12">43053.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43053.3#a43053_11" target="_self">43053.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, absolutely. Not wanting to dick around with hardware is a huge part of it. <br /> <br /> Also it increasingly bothers me to have all this redundant power. My 7+ year old PC is still hugely overpowered for most of what I do with it. We just have to have this potential power for *some* games. For most of what I do I'd notice no difference on an i3 and integrated graphics.<br /> <br /> And I play so few AAA games these days (and when I do they're usually disappointing). Most of what I actually enjoy playing looks like <a href="https://drew.monster/uploads/2024-08-25_152303_818286487.jpg">this</a>. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that shitty graphics are the best indicator that a game is actually going to be *fun*.<br /> <br /> And I'm starting to care about power-draw. Not *really* out of environmental concern cos obviously I'm aware that my PC drawing a bit less is going to do fuck all there but out of an increasing sense that PCs are *good enough* and we really should be working on power consumption now. I'd rather have a passively-cooled PC than raytracing or higher refresh rates or a 4k monitor.<br /> <br /> And I'm okay with not being able to play everything, I'm okay with missing out now and then. I'd rather have a cheaper, lower-powered, quieter PC that's less hassle than the ability to play *everything*.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43053.12&return_msg=43053.3" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43053.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43053.13" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>