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Originally this meant Christian, and it was often just a vicar saying some prayers. Later they favoured discussion things, in a studio or supposedly set in somebody's house. I got into one or two of these, mainly because it was a rare opportunity to watch people just talking. there was one I liked on ITV which went out around 10:45 and I switched over one evening and gosh! Something was wrong! One of the main attendees had a pint of beer and they were all mid conversation. Turned out that he'd had some sort of breakdown. He didn't turn up after that.<br /> <br /> If you removed the repeated dialogue from a modern TV documentary, especially from the USA, there would probably only be 5 minutes of speech. Every new scene opens with a summary of what was said before, or a simple repeat in a different tone of voice. Also, I know what you mean about trying to make it "seem" interesting. So many bloody documentaries about pyramids where the hidden chamber is sort of "held back" like the pay off in a cheap melodrama. Or else they start speculating about how Nefertiti may have felt that day in Thebes, as though that's on a level with showing the actual stuff and saying what we know about it.<br /> <br /> One thing that US television drama of all kinds both benefits from and also suffers from, is the lack of a long theatrical tradition. In the UK both rich and poor went to the theatre since forever. In the last 70 years of so that's changed, and it's become far more of a middle-class thing. In the US, where theatre was always white collar, the actors generally act as though they are where they are supposed to be: in a kitchen or a garden or in the street, or a bar or whatever. This has been true since the very earliest TV productions. In the UK, sourcing its directors and actors from the stage, they didn't. They behaved as though they were on a stage set in a studio, or on a stage set in the garden, street, bar etc. Most, if not all UK productions have realised this now, but that brings me to the second big difference which is money.<br /> <br /> UK productions are all too often cheap. I know that the story goes that money rules in the US. If you don't make it, you're done. But when it's there to be spent on a production, then it's spent. In the UK, there was, and still is, too much of the scrimp and save Blue Peter attitude. If the ray-gun can be made out of an old toilet roll and that saves half a crown, then do it. Don't bother matching the furniture in this scene, just use the chairs that were in the pub scene earlier. And when that's done across the whole production, it looks cheap.<br /> <br /> British comedy shows. Well, they're a mixed bag. I loved Steptoe & Son. The writing is amazing and the actors were perfectly matched. I suppose that's another instance of everybody knowing right from the start exactly what was wanted. More recently Shameless held my attention for a bit. Good ensemble cast. Especially David Threlfall. Enjoyed Fleabag. Once again a great cast, especially Andrew Scott. I really like watching him (Yeah, I know he's Irish). He was fabulous in Ripley recently and he simply acted the pants off Cumberbatch and Freeman in Sherlock. Oh yeah, a blast from the past, Turtles Progress. Also Spaced, A Very Peculiar Practice. Loads of stuff I kind of enjoyed even if I wouldn't say it was great TV. The Young Ones, Peepshow.<br /> <br /> Straight British dramas? Well, we can do them. I loved Brideshead Revisited for all its faults. I Claudius - one of the few shows which deliberately chose theatrical and it worked The Singing Detective is probably close to my all-time favourite. Then there was Edge of Darkness, the much underrated Paradise Postponed. The Camomile Lawn was good. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes were fun. Gormenghast was a very flawed but quite enjoyable adaptation. Smiley's People and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (the Alec Guinnes versions) were excellent viewing. Some of the Pratchett adaptations (should have put in comedy). This is England - another series that was simply wonderful. Powerful, nuanced and fearless. There are plenty more. These days I usually stick something I've enjoyed onto Plex. <br /> <br /> Hah! Films that only ever got shown at least a year after their cinema release. Usually longer. And it would always be like the the school holidays. Then there was Disney Time although fuck knows why we wanted to see that. Almost never during the week. The BBC would cover a whole Saturday evening with some shit like a display from the Household Cavalry and ITV would have Lawrence of Arabia (again). But, sex and drugs and rock and roll started in 1972. Then as I got an art school place on the strenth of my ""O" levels so I didn't have to worry about my "A" levels, I didn't watch much telly until about 1975.<br /> <br /> But yes, on one Monday in October 1969 the big debate at my school was who had been able to see that new Monty Python programme. Years before we had debated the merits of the Zarbis and the Daleks as we chewed our American Civil War bubblegum. That was just us kids. Ken and Deidre's wedding on Coronation Street attracted more UK viewers than that of Charles and Diana 2 days earlier. <br /> <br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.16&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 21:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 12:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.17">43032.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_16" target="_self">43032.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You've mentioned a lot of stuff I'd forgotten about. Steptoe and Son was great but (like a lot of good british comedy) very depressing. I like watching that kind of thing now and then, and we're very good at it, but most of the time I do want the warmth and sentimentality that US comedy tends to have underneath it. I see that as a weakness but there it is.<br /> <br /> Shameless was great. Spaced I enjoyed at the time but wossisface has become more and more unbearable over time and made me retroactively dislike it. Also The Young Ones, yup.<br /> <br /> I've also enjoyed the recent Cunk stuff (on Britain and on Earth).<br /> <br /> I enjoyed I, Claudius and Cammomile Lawn, Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy. A lot of it I was too young for though. Enjoyed Gormenghast, definitely flawed but doing something interesting.<br /> <br /> Forgot about This is England. Loved the film. I don't think I've watched all of the TV stuff. I should. Shane Meadows is from just down the road.<br /> <br /> That stagey acting you were talking about is something I think about more than you'd expect. I think I was conditioned by the American TV of my childhood to enjoy their style of more naturalistic acting. I find the more stagey british acting odd and offputting *unless* the production is stagey, then I enjopy it a lot (like in some Derek Jarman or Ken Russel films, and a lot of British TV back in the day).<br /> <br /> But Americans, presumably cos it's unusual to them but also because of the kinda cultural imagination they have about 'Europe', fucking *love* that UK Stagey acting. There are so many British actors who have done well in Hollywood whom I just can't fucking stand to watch. Because they're acting in regular Hollywood films or TV where everyone else is acting naturalistically and they're acting in that stagey way and it's fucking weird. I'm thinking of people like Anthony Hopkins and Ian McKellen. Even Patrick Stewart in TNG. They fucking *love* them and I *really* don't.<br /> <br /> But then something like Arrested Development goes the other way entirely and I love it. American production and actors but a very British feel both in terms of the production itself and the acting.<br /> <br /> I have noticed a few things I've been watching lately is predominantly set in the UK even when it's not a UK production. I've just started 3 Body Problem and that happens mostly in the UK. Same was true of Invasion, which everyone else seemed to hate but I really enjoyed (like Black Summer with aliens instead of zombies). I'm sure there are others but I forget.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.17&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 21:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 12:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.18">43032.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_16" target="_self">43032.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> As for documentaries and current affairs stuff, that's been almost entirely (I still watch the odd theatrically released documentary) replaced by Youtube and podcasts for me.<br /> <br /> Used to watch Newsnight, Late Review (I think it was called?), Question time, whatever was the serious political interview show of the day etc.. Also things like Moviedrome(?) on Channel 4 in the 90s, that was great. (And some Radio 4 to round it out).<br /> <br /> And yeah, that's all been replaced by Youtube/podcast stuff. Obviously the streaming services aren't going to make that kinda stuff. And in *some* ways I think Youtube is better at it than the BBC was. Certainly less constrained. <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 9 Jun 21:49 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.18&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">10 Jun 22:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 22:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.19">43032.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_18" target="_self">43032.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Problem is, these days it isn't that hard to acquire a whole series for convenient personal consumption, either expensively, or relatively less expensively. I was considering the series Cheers, which entertained me for years through my late evenings when I needed sobering up. Now I am considering Arrested Development, of which I have only seen a handful of episodes. <br /> <br /> And I wouldn't be able to discuss either of them over the water cooler or the tea machine.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.19&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">10 Jun 22:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 22:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.20">43032.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_17" target="_self">43032.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Incidentally, I don't think that looking for brightness rather than gloom is a weakness, either in the viewer or the creator. I get tired of unrelenting gloom - and that applies to fims, TV shows, radio shows, books, whatever. On the contrary, to a degree there's a contract between creator and viewer. This show is ultimately cheerful or this show will make you reflect on life, or even be prepared to shed a tear. Or a mix of all of them. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.20&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jun 22:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jun 14:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.21">43032.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_19" target="_self">43032.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, the water cooler chat is irrevocably gone, and that's a shame. Though what I can do now which I couldn't back then is watch shows in group-calls with friends from all around the world. Which does kinda recreate an aspect of that, we're watching the show at the same pace and can share our excitement and stuff.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.21&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jun 22:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jun 14:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.22">43032.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_20" target="_self">43032.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No, I agree, but a balance is good I think. And the gloomier comedy is often smarter. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.22&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">11 Jun 15:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jun 18:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.23">43032.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_22" target="_self">43032.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I do get annoyed by shows that are either rather lightweight or else portentously meaningful (apparently) which suddenly develop really ghastly endings: the death of the main character, love left unrequited in some horrible twist, and so on. It's a trick to borrow all the weight of a ghastly event to make bad plotting or lack of imagination seem similarly substantial.<br /> <br /> I mean, don't get me wrong; some stories need a hard conclusion because it fits the logic of the story. But in any case, you need to be in the right frame of mind, and also, you need to be viewing/reading for that purpose. If I switch the telly on looking for King of the hill (which you're quite right is brilliant. Where else would you find the every day life of a propane salesman. whose entertainment is chugging tins of beer in an alleyway?) then I don't want to watch the gloomier passages of Better Call Saul, or Sophie's Choice or read We Need to Talk About Kevin.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 11 Jun 15:13 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.23&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">11 Jun 19:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jun 20:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.24">43032.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_23" target="_self">43032.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This makes me think of Game of Thrones. The first couple of seasons seemed cool, fantasy shenanigans with a bit more oomph to them than is usually the case.<br /> <br /> But it quickly became apparent that at any given point of climax, whatever is the most shocking and devastating thing possible is what's going to happen.<br /> <br /> Beyond that it was just entertaining characters being paired up and having interactions. And when it ran out of pairings, there was really nothing beyond that. They forgot to do a story.<br /> <br /> And yeah, I agree. I think as 'Brits' we shy away from sentiment and sincerity a bit more than the Americans do, seeing it as unsophisticated or something. And that's a shame.<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.24&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43032_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_43032_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Jun 15:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jun 19:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 28</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.25">43032.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43032.16#a43032_24" target="_self">43032.24</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Game of Thrones is a good example. I think Eddard Stark's death was one of the few justifiable shocks, because it introduced an unexpected tone of jeopardy, which is quite hard to manage in this kind of sword and occasional sorcery tale. But after that it was just ridiculous. Good person? Dies horribly. Bad person? Dies horribly. Kind, compassionate, teenage daughter who has lived a hard life? Burned alive at the stake by her father. <br /> <br /> Sentiment and sincerity? I'm not sure. <br /> <br /> No matter that the British, or the English at least, like to boast about their grasp of irony, and of the more subtle aspects of comedy, there's a thread which is ironic, dark and subtle, evident on both sides of the pond. I mentioned Better Call Saul, which I think has moments of brilliance. It's SO dark, so tied to the inevitability of failure, that it feels like a tragic drama. But it is, especially in the character of Jimmy McGill (Saul Goodman), a comedy played dead straight.<br /> <br /> Watching Better Call Saul, I can't help thinking of something like Hancock's Half Hour. Totally different in many ways, but both owing everything to the desparate, depressive personalities of the main characters. Obviously Hancock was more obviously played for laughs in straight comedy style, but both feature lead characters unable to break free from the lure of shooting for success, even though we, and they know that it's pointless. Incidentally, two of the principal writers for Hancock's Half Hour were Galton and Simpson of Steptoe fame. So maybe there's a link.<br /> <br /> Hancock the comic actor was, of course, a chronic alcoholic and depressive, given to domestic violence who finally killed himself. Bob Odenkirk (Jimmy/Saul) seems to be a happy and generally good-natured chap, and a very good actor. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43032.25&return_msg=43032.16" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43032.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43032.26" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>