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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.0&return_msg=43008.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.11">11–17</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=43008.1">Instant cameras</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="43008_1_17_10"> <a name="a43008_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 Jan 22:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1">43008.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm genuinely astonished to find that there's a burgeoning hobby around instant film. Not astonished by the idea so much. I mean I remember Polaroid cameras from the 60s. The quality wasn't brilliant, but generally it wasn't awful. And if you were prepared to spend a bit, you could get quite decent results. These cameras were often used by professional photographers to get a quick idea of what the most promising shots would be before a shoot. No, what really confuses me is that the present hobby is based on the most appallingly shit cameras you can possibly imagine. I mean, they look the part. My son has invested in two of these, a Polaroid Now+ (£120) and a Fuji Instax Square Q6 (£125). The film is just daft expensive. The quality of the photos is just unbelievably bad. They are worse than 1960 Kodak instamatics. They are on a par with, possibly worse than, shoebox pinhole cameras - and I'm actually serious. I had a toy camera as a kid: fixed focus and made from the cheapest springs and plastic parts you could find, but it still took better photographs than either of these. It's as though all the years of improvement in budget and middle-grade optics and camera technology since the 50s never happened. The Polaroid has (allegedly) autofocus, but you'd never believe it to look at the crap that it produces. The Instax is even worse, with its 3 fixed-focus positions. Unbelievable. Except it's true.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 25 Jan 22:09 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.1&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">26 Jan 12:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Jan 23:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.2">43008.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_1" target="_self">43008.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Another stoopid gen-z fad. Can't really blame the poor social media victims, they've inherited a totally shit world and are entitled to their lame tweeness, not that it's going to help or anything. Technically perfect (i.e. digital) photographs can be easily turned into the same drek at no cost. It doesn't work in reverse.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.2&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Jan 12:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">3 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.3">43008.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Leica, the maker of bespoke and uber-pricey designer cameras, has throwed its hat into the ring.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.3&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">28 Jan 14:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">4 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.4">43008.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm just gonna leave this here:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/polaroid-onestep-sx-70-camera-21345">https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/polaroid-onestep-sx-70-camera-21345</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.4&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Jan 23:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 10:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.5">43008.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_3" target="_self">43008.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jesus, I hope my son doesn't find out. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.5&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Jan 23:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 01:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.6">43008.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_4" target="_self">43008.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hah! Possibly better value than the real thing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.6&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Jan 10:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 13:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.7">43008.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_5" target="_self">43008.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Shhh, it's a rebadged fuji mini evo.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.7&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">29 Jan 15:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 16:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.8">43008.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_7" target="_self">43008.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So I hear, although apparently it isn't. Leica have licensed just about everything from Fuji and based a lot of it on the mini evo, but they make it themselves. So they say. To be fair, a closer look and the build is different. The Leica has a Leica lens for example, and the body has an expensive glass finish. The photos I've seen online appear better than the ouput of cheaper Fuji and Polaroid offerings, but are still outshone by even the most budget of budget phones.<br /> <br /> It seems that the main reason for the poor quality is the limited resolution of the film. Physically the particles it uses are far coarser than on conventional film. It's also very particular about exposure levels and has a very narrow bandwidth for exposures. It seems that back in the olden times, Polaroid instant film was superior in quality, but some of the chemicals used are no longer permitted.<br /> <br /> That doesn't quite explain why the lenses on these cameras, Leica or otherwise, are so miniscule. The Leica lens has a diameter of 2.4 mm which is half what a modern camera phone uses. These two Fuji/Leica cameras are hybrids: they store images in memory and then expose film with an internal LED array on demand. Needless to say they use miniscule CMOS sensors, 2.9 by 2.2 mm so the resolution of around 5MP is pretty meaningless.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 29 Jan 15:09 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.8&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Jan 17:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 19:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.9">43008.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_8" target="_self">43008.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, it's got some people hot and bothered, regardless of the mfg. provenance.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.9&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43008_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_43008_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">29 Jan 21:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Jan 23:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 17</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.10">43008.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43008.1#a43008_9" target="_self">43008.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not surprised. Apparently the difference in picture quality for your monster extra cost isn't great. Plus the Fuji apps are much better. <br /> <br /> No doubt things will improve over the next few years until a vast glossy 10x8 in pin-sharp colour or B&W as you choose will unfurl from your pocket-sized Apple-Snapper. By which time the fad will be done.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43008.10&return_msg=43008.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43008.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43008.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>