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You do realise that what works for, say, Great Britain may not work for the U.S.? We've got 330 million people here, you don't. <br /> <br /> All I want to know is, who pays for it? I already pay enough in taxes, so don't tell me the answer is taxing more, that's a non-starter.<br /> <br /> <strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">Much of South America is likely a mess too - the mischievous part of me wants to say its often down to US interference over the years</div> <p>Sure, blame the U.S. Isn't it just as likely that the country is just screwed up, run by screwups?<br /> <br /> <strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">It cannot be right that you have people dying for lack of insulin</div> <p>They're not. They're dying from complications due to diabetes that is poorly managed, mainly because they are too lazy to eat properly and get exercise. The answer isn't more insulin, the answer is people who are motivated to control their disease with a proper diet, not pumping themselves full of insulin. Don't forget, I did medical transports for five years, and took hundreds of people to their dialysis and endocrinologist appointments. In the overwhelming majority of cases, people needing dialysis and diabetic care were overweight and poor eaters. All they wanted to talk about on their rides was what kind of food they ate and loved.<br /> <br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I have no doubt that the quality of healthcare in the US is often excellent if you can afford it.</div> <p>Also if you can't. Most of the people I transported were MA patients.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.45&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 11:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 03:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.46">42737.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.44">42737.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I save my bile for the deserving.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.46&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 11:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 03:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.47">42737.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_45" target="_self">42737.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Who is the who? You do realise that what works for, say, Great Britain may not work for the U.S.? We've got 330 million people here, you don't. <br /> <br /> All I want to know is, who pays for it? I already pay enough in taxes, so don't tell me the answer is taxing more, that's a non-starter.</div> <br /> For the love of whatever deity you like, stop only comparing the US to the UK, aka Plague Island, aka Shit Land Ruled By Tory Gangsters. Look also at most countries in Europe, Scandinavia, Canada.<br /> <br /> What you pay in taxes for good healthcare is LESS than what you pay in insurance for bad healthcare. Having a lot of people makes this equation easier not harder.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.47&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 11:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">48 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.48">42737.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> While managing diabetes through diet and exercise is absolutely a good thing, the idea that this means you should be charging US prices for insulin is entertainingly bleak. <br /> <br /> I see so much of this at the moment in the world, people desperate to justify misery as being right. Trump fans defending how much of his fundraising goes straight to his bank balance, British people demonising Corbyn-led Labour policies and then acting surprised when the Tories get in again and fuck over the country's economy and health (and everything), it's just sad.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.48&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 11:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Jan 2021 12:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.49">42737.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_47" target="_self">42737.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> One of the many curiosities of fixrman (and one shared by quite a number of his compatriots) is his assumption that he can needle Teh posse by disparaging Britain or Britishness. This, I feel, says more about his MAGAish mindset than his misreading of the room.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.49&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 11:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 03:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.50">42737.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_45" target="_self">42737.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I did medical transports for five years, and took hundreds of people to their dialysis and endocrinologist appointments.</div> I'm not convinced that taxiing people to medical appointments qualifies you to pontificate on clinical issues. However, if you wish to discuss the quickest car routes to the hospital, I will defer to your expertise.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 27 Jan 2021 14:06 by MANTHORP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.50&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Jan 2021 14:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 03:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.51">42737.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_45" target="_self">42737.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I already pay enough in taxes</div> <p>Maybe so. As I'm pretty sure you're aware, there's a lot of people who don't pay <em>any</em> taxes, but who have amassed eye-watering fortunes at the literal expense of the <em>common weal</em>, which I suppose is just another word for communism.<br /> <br /> If you're down with that, fine. You get to live with the consequences. Blame whoever you please. Just live with it.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.51&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">30 Jan 2021 03:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 16:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.52">42737.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_46" target="_self">42737.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No, I said urine. But of course that was very clumsy of me. I should have said bile, because that is a more accurate descriptor.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.52&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">30 Jan 2021 03:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 17:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.53">42737.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_47" target="_self">42737.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If socialized medicine worked here, we'd have it - but it doesn't. We already have forms of it here - called Medicare and Medicaid, and it is not good. There are many reasons it isn't good, the fact that the gummint runs it is the chief reason. Abuse, corruption, and fraud run rampant. Discuss.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.53&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">30 Jan 2021 03:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jan 2021 16:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.54">42737.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.45#a42737_49" target="_self">42737.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Interesting is the fact that you totally missed the fact that I am half-British; if I disparaged Britain in some way, then it was only half of what is continually done to America by putzes of your ilk.<br /> <br /> I have no desire to needle anyone here, least of all you - as I suspect you are happy in your own world of self-dislike. I find it curious why there is always the jump to ascerbic statement and bitter criticism. Not happy? No hobbies? Jealous of Americans??<br /> <br /> MAGAish... that would normally be funny, except I think you meant to be critical. Get your nose out the air.<br /> <br /> I find it curious that Manthorp seems to embrace the same characteristics as the worst of the Democrats in America. Please don't visit, you'll just encourage the twits in the cities who are on the dole perpetually.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.54&return_msg=42737.45" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42737.55" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>