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class="message_body"> Doesn't look too fun, although can't say I'm in the least bit surprised. <br /> <br /> Good luck <span class="emoticon e_plain" title=":-|"><span class="e__">:-|</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.2&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 7 Jan 2021 12:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Jan 2021 14:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.3">42737.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_2" target="_self">42737.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm just spectating from my igloo.<br /> <br /> If these goons aren't rounded up and jailed, and the capitol police force sacked, it will be a horrible precedent.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 Jan 2021 12:44 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.3&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 7 Jan 2021 14:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Jan 2021 15:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.4">42737.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_3" target="_self">42737.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> and you've already got a horrible president[precedent] <span class="emoticon e_partyblower" title=":-O~~~"><span class="e__">:-O~~~</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.4&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 7 Jan 2021 15:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">5 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.5">42737.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> WHAT WILL HE DO NEXT ?!<br /> <br /> <span class="emoticon e_eek" title="8-O"><span class="e__">8-O</span></span><br /> <br /> (also, he ain't my president, not to put too fine a point on it)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 Jan 2021 15:26 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.5&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2021 00:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jan 2021 16:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.6">42737.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_5" target="_self">42737.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That was not a well-thought out action, going after the Capitol. While I am not surprised, I am surprised at the destruction; time will tell who they actually are.<br /> <br /> There have been several times that improper things happened in the U.S., but they were viewed a lot differently, because they were reported a lot differently. The Boston Massacre, Boston Tea Party, Shay's rebellion - they all come to mind. But the events fared better in history because of the outcome.<br /> <br /> Regardless of affiliation, one has to realise that events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. What I find interesting is the stark contrast between the looting, rioting and arson committed in the aftermath of George Floyd who - though nothing more than a common thug and drug addict (he once held a gun to a pregnant black woman's stomach while he and his other thug buddies robbed her) and the characterisations of the Capitol situation.<br /> <br /> The American "press" regarded the mayhem in various cities as "protests" and "mostly peaceful protests", whilst people were on camera smashing windows, burning cars, stealing merchandise and cash, and occupying city blocks. It is interesting the interpretation of "systemic racism" when a particular talking point wants to be made, and it highlights hypocrisy of the press.<br /> <br /> BLM may be the darling of sensationalist media, but they are actually a money-raising branch of the Democrat party. All one has to do is visit the BLM website and discover that all donations to BLM are funnelled to ActBlue, whose sole purpose is to promote and finance Democrats. They even lie to their supporters by giving the impression that donations are tax-deductible ("to the fullest extent allowed by law" - political donations are not tax deductible); wait until April 15th, as they will discover they have been hoodwinked again by the Dems.<br /> <br /> Whether you like it or not, he is POTUS - yours and mine - until January 20th. In the same vein, so will Biden be, a stumbling, bumbling, gaffe-prone, China-serving incompetent boob of a POTUS, who will turn the clock back to the Obama days when unemployment was high, regulations many and businesses were struggling. Biden represents the past with no idea for the future. I suppose all hope is on Harris; maybe she will go heels up again and do something worthwhile other than promoting rampant socialism. But I remain doubtful.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.6&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2021 11:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.7">42737.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_6" target="_self">42737.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Go on then, I'll take a bite at your mad conspiracy laden apple:<br /> <br /> >> time will tell who they actually are<br /> <br /> Who do you think they were, then?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.7&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2021 12:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.8">42737.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_6" target="_self">42737.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'll also bite<br /> <br /> >>> Regardless of affiliation, one has to realise that events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. <br /> <br /> Their voice was heard. They voted, they lost, get over it. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, gained more votes of the American people than Trump, but still lost due to the system in place. Did democrat voters at the time riot and storm Capitol? Nope. Can't have it both ways. <br /> <br /> <br /> >>> George Floyd who - though nothing more than a common thug and drug addict<br /> <br /> So he deserved to be killed by the police? <br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.8&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2021 13:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.9">42737.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_6" target="_self">42737.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Me too:<br /> <br /> >> time will tell who they actually are.<br /> <br /> We actually know who plenty of them are, many have already been ID'd. The woman that was shot (Ashli Babbitt) was a keen Trump supporter and major supporter of various conspiracy theories. There's an article <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/09/ashli-babbitt-capitol-mob-trump-qanon-conspiracy-theory">here</a> where her background is discussed in great detail. Of course, you'll likely claim it is "fake news" given that it's an article by the Guardian.<br /> <br /> We also know that the guy in the horned, furry hat is Jake Angeli, who often goes by the pseudonym of the "QAnon Shaman". Gee, I wonder what his affiliation is.<br /> <br /> Plenty others have also been positively ID'd. It's actually quite simple to do when you don't disguise yourself at all and pose for photos - or of course when people take the time to live-stream their actions as well. Not the cleverest thing to do when you're in the process of committing a series of federal offenses...<br /> <br /> <br /> >> events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard.<br /> <br /> I understand their frustrations. They've spent the last few months listening to (and believing) a none-stop stream of lies from the outgoing president - a man who almost certainly has a mental illness given that he's incapable of accepting failure. In actual fact, their voices were heard. They voted and added to Trump's overall tally. Unfortunately for them, more people voted Biden and he won the election as a result. That's how elections work. You vote, but that doesn't guarantee that "your side" will win.<br /> <br /> For a country that likes to preach democracy to the world, there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 10 Jan 2021 13:12 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.9&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2021 16:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.10">42737.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.2#a42737_6" target="_self">42737.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.6">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote">these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard.</div> This is the most important point in all this. It's something that has existed for probably 50-years, unaddressed (indeed worsened) by successive regimes, regardless of the political party. Some have taken a stab at ameliorating the worst of it, always thwarted by the billionaire class that controls politicians and media alike (Zuckerberg is merely the latest manifestation). It is a tinderbox, armed to the teeth, and the arrest of a handful of agitators caught red-handed changes nothing. America is barreling towards a second civil war, and (at best) balkanization. It's exactly what I feared ~35 years ago when I bailed. Weimar Republic 2.0.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/08/trump-homegrown-fascism-inequality-poverty">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/08/trump-homegrown-fascism-inequality-poverty</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.10&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">11 Jan 2021 13:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">11 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.11">42737.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You might as well rationalise with rain...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.11&return_msg=42737.2" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.11"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42737.12" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>