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But the most important aspect is elite overproduction” – by which he means that not just capital owners but high professionals – lawyers, media professionals and entertainment figures – have become insulated from wider society. It is not just the 1% who are in this privileged sector, but the 5% or 10% or even 20% – the so-called “<a href="http://bostonreview.net/class-inequality-education-opportunity/richard-v-reeves-dream-hoarders-how-americas-top-20-percent">dream hoarders</a>” – they vie for a fixed number of positions and to translate wealth into political position.</p> <p>“The elites had a great run for a while but their numbers become too great. The situation becomes so extreme they start undermining social norms and [there is] a breakdown of institutions. Who gets ahead is no longer the most capable, but [the one] who is willing to play dirtier.”</p> </div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.21&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 01:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 09:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.22">42737.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_20" target="_self">42737.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If anyone would know a deluded fool, I'd say it would be you.<br /> <br /> You know nothing about me, not to mention what you don't know about America.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.22&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 01:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 20:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.23">42737.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_21" target="_self">42737.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually it is rather interesting. If I had to boil it down: the college elitists, instead of pissing and moaning about not "making it", should get their noses out of the air, get off their asses and go out, get their hands dirty and work for a living. Nobody handed me jack squat; everything I have has been earned and paid for by me by the sweat of my brow, and the callouses of my hands,<br /> <br /> When I didn't know something, I asked questions. I have never paid for anything that I could do for myself, and If I didn't know how to do it, I asked somebody who did know or researched the answer.<br /> <br /> It is true that necessity is the mother of all invention. When my wife and I were young, we didn't have money to pay plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys and home handy men, so I had to do it. I also was fortunate to have a skill in automotive repair, so we didn't pay for that either.<br /> <br /> Bottom line is, there is no free lunch. If you want to succeed, you had better get out there and do it. They can get busy livin' or they should get busy dyin'.<br /> <br /> I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them.<br /> <br /> Sorry for the rant. Time for a beer. Cheers!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.23&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 08:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 14:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.24">42737.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_23" target="_self">42737.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> >> " I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them. "<br /> <br /> Hate to be blunt, but the biggest and most entitled crybaby in America is called Donald Trump...<br /> <br /> And he never did get that election given to him as he wanted...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 20 Jan 2021 08:34 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.24&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 09:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">25 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.25">42737.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've no particular regard for the Democrats or Joe Biden - I do have high hopes for the likes of AOC in future, if their party doesn't manage to pull off what Labour's right just did to the left in the UK. But it's just really sad that so many of the American working class were taken in by the corny con-artist Donald Trump and his coterie. I totally understand the anger but still struggle to understand how they thought (and even still think!) that this was the way to go. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.25&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 21:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 14:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.26">42737.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_23" target="_self">42737.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">When my wife and I were young, we didn't have money to pay plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys</div> <p><br /> Well. When my wife and I were young, we didn't have plumbing or electricity let alone HVAC, we had to fend off sabretooth tiger attacks with our bare hands. <span class="emoticon e_ccry" title=":'C"><span class="e__"><span class="emoticon e_ccry" title=":'C"><span class="e__">:'C</span></span></span></span> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.26&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">21 Jan 2021 01:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 14:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.27">42737.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_23" target="_self">42737.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This is absolutely in line with Pol Pot and the re-education of the bourgoisie through labour. Congratulations, Fixrman you are an old skool ideological Communist.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.27&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">22 Jan 2021 14:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 15:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28">42737.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19#a42737_25" target="_self">42737.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, you are right, Milko. While no fan of Don Trump personally, I really hated the fact that the country got working again, unemployment was the lowest in 50 years, the stock market was doing well pre-pandemic, and America got trade deals that made sense for America, instead of the lop-sided import-mostly deals we had before.<br /> <br /> Boy was that horrible.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.28&return_msg=42737.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42737.29" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>