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They voted, they lost, get over it. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, gained more votes of the American people than Trump, but still lost due to the system in place. Did democrat voters at the time riot and storm Capitol?</div> <p>Rich. The Democrats and Hillary Clinton whined for four years over the loss of HRC. And then there is the "Russian investigation" and impeachment trial. You have got to be kidding me. Seems people can justify almost anything over personal dislike. Ridiculous.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">So he deserved to be killed by the police?</div> <p><br /> I'd be interested in what you know about that other than what you read in some rag. Did you know that George Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system? If he had been found home alone, the ruling would have been death by an overdose. 3 ng/mL of fentanyl has been known to cause death.<br /> <br /> Now, Derek Chauvin was definitely wrong in the restraint; for the life of me I do not know what ever possessed him to perform that type of restraint. But he will never work in law enforcement again, and according to reports I read, was a scumbag outside of LE, what with his tax evasion and other questionable actions, But it is quite conceivable that any scenario involving stress for Floyd would have resulted in death, so the restraint was not the sole cause, but definitely a contributing factor. Neither was the restraint justified.<br /> <br /> <strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">Can't have it both ways.</div> <p>So glad you mentioned that. So the rioting, looting and arson in various cities around the U.S. is justified because of George Floyd's death? How is burning down another black man's lifelong dream of a business, a rack of blue jeans, sneakers, and ransacking of stores related? Can YOU have it both ways?<br /> <br /> What about David Dorn, a black ex-police officer who was watching his friend's store and killed by a looter justified?</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.15&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 01:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 10:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.16">42737.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.9">42737.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">For a country that likes to preach democracy to the world, there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"...</div> <p>A lot of Democrats preach democracy, but to anyone who is actually paying attention, America is not. We are a Federal Presidential Constitutional Republic. The Founding Fathers took great pains to ensure that a democracy was not the result of the Philadelphia Convention, because throughout history, democracies always fail.<br /> <br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Jake Angeli, who often goes by the pseudonym of the "QAnon Shaman". Gee, I wonder what his affiliation is.</div> <p>Right. He also held a sign, "Q sent me." Does that mean he is a British Secret Service Operative? No, he's a whack job.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"...</div> <p>Physician, heal thyself.<br /> <br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.16&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 02:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 21:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.17">42737.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.10">42737.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I don't disagree with a lot of what you said there. But let me ask this: Why is it OK for thousands to protest and commit violence in the streets in the name of Black Lives - who, incidentally, have never condemned black on black murder - and what happened at the Capitol?<br /> <br /> Now, the idiots who stormed the Capitol clearly hadn't thought things out well; what did they hope to accomplish? It made no sense, n matter who did it. But did it make sense for rioters to destroy nearly every business on 8th street and Chestnut streets in Philadelphia?<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Some have taken a stab at ameliorating the worst of it, always thwarted by the billionaire class that controls politicians and media alike</div> You've actually said quite a lot there. Ever notice American politicians who vehemently profess, gesturing and pointing wildly, that they "will fight for you"? Really? I submit that all they do is fight for their own continued self-enrichment, and the continuation of their political status.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">America is barreling towards a second civil war</div> Is it that surprising, really? When you have so many politicians telling them that if they vote for them, they will get "free stuff", what would you expect? That's what democracy brings: when the people discover that they can vote largesse for themselves through the public treasury, they will always vote for the candidate who promises them the most. The end result is loose fiscal policy and a bankrupt nation (rough paraphrase of Alexander Tytler/Lord Woodhouselee). The end result is Socialism, then Communism.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">a handful of agitators caught red-handed changes nothing.</div> It didn't matter in the riots across America, either. Those crimes happened and were allowed to continue by the Governors and Mayors whose responsibility it was to maintain the peace, yet they abandoned that responsibility, letting criminals riot to their hearts content. <br /> <br /> Who do common folks call when the police are defunded? Social workers? What a joke.<br /> <br /> In the end, it doesn't matter. I challenge anyone to find the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. It's not there, because the Founding Father knew that democracies always fail.<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.17&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 02:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2021 13:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.18">42737.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.11">42737.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You'd know a lot about that, wouldn't you? After all, isn't there rain many times a week over there?<br /> <br /> But I take heart in the fact that you lot are at least as critical of your own politicians - maybe more so - as you are with ours, even though I doubt you know as much about ours as you think you do.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.18&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 02:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">19 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.19">42737.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.15#a42737_18" target="_self">42737.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I submit that if more people spent more time absorbed with their own lives than what happens on Twitter, the world would be much better off.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.19&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.19"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 09:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 01:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.20">42737.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.14">42737.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You poor deluded fool.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.20&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2021 21:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 01:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.21">42737.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.15#a42737_19" target="_self">42737.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You might find this an interesting take on it:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/were-on-the-verge-of-breakdown-a-data-scientists-take-on-trump-and-biden">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/were-on-the-verge-of-breakdown-a-data-scientists-take-on-trump-and-biden</a><br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> <p>“We’ve seen growing immiseration for 30 to 40 years: rising levels of state debt, declining median wages and declining life expectancies. But the most important aspect is elite overproduction” – by which he means that not just capital owners but high professionals – lawyers, media professionals and entertainment figures – have become insulated from wider society. It is not just the 1% who are in this privileged sector, but the 5% or 10% or even 20% – the so-called “<a href="http://bostonreview.net/class-inequality-education-opportunity/richard-v-reeves-dream-hoarders-how-americas-top-20-percent">dream hoarders</a>” – they vie for a fixed number of positions and to translate wealth into political position.</p> <p>“The elites had a great run for a while but their numbers become too great. The situation becomes so extreme they start undermining social norms and [there is] a breakdown of institutions. Who gets ahead is no longer the most capable, but [the one] who is willing to play dirtier.”</p> </div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.21&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 01:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 09:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.22">42737.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.15#a42737_20" target="_self">42737.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If anyone would know a deluded fool, I'd say it would be you.<br /> <br /> You know nothing about me, not to mention what you don't know about America.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.22&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 01:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Jan 2021 20:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.23">42737.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.15#a42737_21" target="_self">42737.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually it is rather interesting. If I had to boil it down: the college elitists, instead of pissing and moaning about not "making it", should get their noses out of the air, get off their asses and go out, get their hands dirty and work for a living. Nobody handed me jack squat; everything I have has been earned and paid for by me by the sweat of my brow, and the callouses of my hands,<br /> <br /> When I didn't know something, I asked questions. I have never paid for anything that I could do for myself, and If I didn't know how to do it, I asked somebody who did know or researched the answer.<br /> <br /> It is true that necessity is the mother of all invention. When my wife and I were young, we didn't have money to pay plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys and home handy men, so I had to do it. I also was fortunate to have a skill in automotive repair, so we didn't pay for that either.<br /> <br /> Bottom line is, there is no free lunch. If you want to succeed, you had better get out there and do it. They can get busy livin' or they should get busy dyin'.<br /> <br /> I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them.<br /> <br /> Sorry for the rant. Time for a beer. Cheers!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.23&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">20 Jan 2021 08:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 14:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.24">42737.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.15#a42737_23" target="_self">42737.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> >> " I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them. "<br /> <br /> Hate to be blunt, but the biggest and most entitled crybaby in America is called Donald Trump...<br /> <br /> And he never did get that election given to him as he wanted...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 20 Jan 2021 08:34 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.24&return_msg=42737.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42737.25" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>