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Should have been on holiday, but it was cancelled just in time to prevent me going to a locked-down resort, and I got my money back, so can't complain too much.<br /> <br /> My company has been reasonably ahead of the game -the plan had been to split into two broadly similar teams and alternate working from home with working from the office. That all changed, and we're now all working from home, with the offices all closed. It's not too much of a hassle - we're pretty much all capable of working remotely. The marketing and sales teams have had their activities curtailed somewhat, however. We've been doing weekly Zoom-based social activities on a Friday afternoon, and the boss has let us claim for beers and takeaway, which is nice of him.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.11&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Mar 2020 08:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Mar 2020 09:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.12">42590.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.1">42590.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Been WFH for 2 weeks as of today.<br /> I bailed before our work was allowing it. I've got a blood condition that means I'm higher risk. I was on holiday for a week then got back two weeks yesterday, went in on the Monday and thought "fuck this, I need to WFH". Rang my doctor for a bit of advice, he said if I could WFH I should.<br /> <br /> We have a lot of people at head office who often WFH so there's infrastructure and systems in place, but it would be fair to say they're not 100%. Best option IMHO would be work computers (or laptops) at home then connect over a VPN.<br /> <br /> Instead we have a virtual remote desktop which just isn't the same and resources are limited - open a hefty spreadsheet and it grinds my session to a halt. It also has limited licences it seems considering the recent All Staff emails asking people to logout. I've been nagging the IT Manager a bit too much, but he has setup an RDP connection to my work desktop PC. This is definitely better, but because I think it is going <br /> My Site --- Head Office (or other data center) --- Home<br /> there's laggggggg.<br /> And because it's being presented over VMWare Horizon rather than a direct RDP there's some keyboard issues.<br /> <br /> There's definitely been resistance to people WFH from the senior management (who are all at home). We're a food manufacturer and it is pretty much business as usual. This means we're entering one of our busiest new launch periods and nothing has changed, very little delayed or put on hold. It feels a bit ridiculous and I'm definitely struggling a bit when the work feels somewhat futile.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.12&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">31 Mar 2020 09:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Mar 2020 09:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.13">42590.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_12" target="_self">42590.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> A virtual remote desktop is what I said goodbye to when I retired. As a DBA team we also had actual terminal access to our mainframe and SSH, remote desktop etc. to live servers, but most of the developers and testers had to make do with a virtual remote desktop. On the other hand, all our admin systems were accessible through VPNs. The other issue was that our client was HMRC and the live systems were all air-gapped so no homeworking on them. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.13&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">31 Mar 2020 09:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Mar 2020 09:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.14">42590.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_13" target="_self">42590.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">There's definitely been resistance to people WFH from the senior management.</div> That was always the way. There are classes of manager who strongly believe that they should have you where they want you to be, quite literally, because somehow that's how they get their money's worth. There are cost etc. arguments but the driving force is bums-on-seats. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.14&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Mar 2020 09:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Mar 2020 12:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.15">42590.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_13" target="_self">42590.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'd cope with the virtual remote desktop if the server had the resources to do the job. Not perfect, but "good enough" if it did. Sitting watching Excel calculate and eventually crash isn't productive.<br /> <br /> And yeah, I think they struggle with the idea of people managing themselves. My manager is great though, he's encouraged it but those above him struggled with one making the comment along the lines of "they won't be working 100% at home". We've had team Facetime calls daily which has helped keep morale up. The business as a whole has been using Zoom quite a bit.<br /> <br /> It has though made me realise more than ever that I rely on human interaction to enjoy my job.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.15&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">31 Mar 2020 12:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Apr 2020 08:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.16">42590.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.8">42590.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> How are you doing today?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.16&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 1 Apr 2020 08:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Apr 2020 09:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.17">42590.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_16" target="_self">42590.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Thanks for asking. Day 8 by my estimation. <br /> this morning my chest finally feels a bit better, the tightness/heaviness is almost gone. I’ve got a return of the headache though. I’m starting to get aches that I know are just from being stuck in bed so long, so I’m going to try and move about some more today, see how that goes. The worry with that is if I’m still emitting a viral load or whatever they call it, I don’t want to increase the chances of the household getting it. <br /> <br /> I’ve been thinking back to possible ways I caught this (boredom) and I remembered my son having that ear infection a couple of weeks ago. Is it possible I caught whatever gave him that and it manifested in me with these Covid-like symptoms? It’s so frustrating that I can’t find out what I’ve got for sure. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.17&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 1 Apr 2020 09:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Apr 2020 10:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.18">42590.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_17" target="_self">42590.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It is frustrating. I know plenty of people who are wondering whether that odd illness they had sometime in the last couple of months may have been Covid-19. Maybe there'll be an antibody test available eventually. I had an attack of something I assumed was norovirus back at the end of December (largely because the in-laws had it too) but it was immediately followed by flu symptoms, conjunctivitis and a hacking painful cough. The cough was so bad I couldn't lie down and for a few nights I had to try and sleep propped up on the settee. I now read that in China, about a third of confirmed cases began with D&V rather than the classic fever/aches and pains. My brother in law had it too and he was with all of us around the same time. The thing is, we all naturally self-isolated - not because that was a thing, but because we all felt too ill to go out.<br /> <br /> Anyway, this is the kind of talk that feeds the pointlessly optimistic narratives of the libertarian right that it isn't so bad and we've probably all had it anyway. Hardly unusual to be ill in winter.<br /> <br /> Stay warm and take paracetamol for the headache. Over here the idea that ibuprofen may be dangerous to Covid-19 patients is sniffed at a bit. My rellies in France tell me that it's pretty standard wisdom over there, with strong advice to avoid it. And stop shedding your load all over the place. We all know you're bored. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.18&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 1 Apr 2020 10:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Apr 2020 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.19">42590.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_18" target="_self">42590.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Tina reminded me of the day (approx day 2 for me) where she had an allergic reaction to something that meant she was lying next to me in bed gasping for air and coughing continuously and I was barely aware of it at all, so I think I may have been mentally downplaying my early fever symptoms. <br /> <br /> It's going to be so surreal if this thing sticks around for the year in waves. And possibly even more so if/when we step out of the other side into whatever normality will be then. I see the early moves in the "we should implement societal change from this" vs "we should aggressively return to the previous ways" are happening already.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.19&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42590_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_42590_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 1 Apr 2020 10:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Apr 2020 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 32</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.20">42590.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42590.11#a42590_18" target="_self">42590.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">it isn't so bad and we've probably all had it anyway.</div> <p><br /> I'm sure many more have/had it than have been tested positive, either for lack of testing or testing only indicates active infections. The sheer number of deaths attributed to it so far (again probably some fraction of the actual total) indicates it <em>is</em> so bad. Latest theory is asymptomatic infecteds (to borrow a term from Dead Island) probably spread it the most, since they haven't been self-isolating.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 1 Apr 2020 10:45 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42590.20&return_msg=42590.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42590.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42590.21" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>