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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.0&return_msg=42505.77"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.51">51–60</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.81">81–90</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.91">91–94</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42505.77">General Election 2019</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42505_77_94_10"> <a name="a42505_77"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_77"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 18:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 18:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">77 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77">42505.77</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.76">42505.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Someone in the Guardian did a good analysis a couple of weeks ago of how the demographics worked against Labour in these formerly industrial "safe" seats -- the young all hived off to cities for work, leaving behind their cranky OAP parents who tend to vote THAT way and are fed up with politicians of every stripe, but want to send a 'message' of the cut-off-own-nose kind. Kind of a passive gerrymandering when the constituencies aren't appropriately (+ timely) redrawn to reflect that.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.77&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.77"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 18:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 18:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.78">42505.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.76">42505.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I could get with Boomerspace. It reminds me of that Innerspace film as well which for some reason resonated with me as a kid.<br /> <br /> Regarding the Scotland thing, I'd understood that Scottish Labour was a poisoned well a good bit before Corbyn came to his late prominence, and did a fine job of getting itself torched in Scotland over the independence referendum and other things around that time. It seemed like he'd (or the entire leadership?) more or less abandoned any prospect of getting it back again now. I've not followed things at all closely up there though.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.78&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_79"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_79"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 18:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 20:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">79 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.79">42505.79</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_78" target="_self">42505.78</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, Labour's been fading to irrelevance in Scotland for years now, especially after the referendum, when people realised the dichotomy of them siding with the Tories against independence and the SNP in Scotland, but promoting policies suspiciously similar to those of the SNP in England. Corbyn's always come across as not quite understanding why Labour have declined so much in Scotland, and while the SNP indicated they would be open to some kind of working arrangement, it was rebuffed by Labour and used as a negative thing by the Tories.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.79&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.79"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Dec 2019 09:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.80">42505.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.76">42505.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1205249028637806592.html">This is the unroll of a Twitter thread </a>which I thought captured the problems the electorate had with Corbyn pretty well. It's couched in harsh terms - particularly the second tweet - but after that, it's rarely unfair. I think it also demonstrates why the current wine in a new bottle won't help.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.80&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_81"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_81"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 20:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">81 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.81">42505.81</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_80" target="_self">42505.80</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Corbyn/Labour was polling way out front on the youth (18-44) vote just before the election<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067740/uk-general-election-poll-by-age/">https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067740/uk-general-election-poll-by-age/</a><br /> <br /> Isn't that something to build on, rather than outright trash?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.81&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.81"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_82"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_82"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 20:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">82 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.82">42505.82</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_81" target="_self">42505.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It shouldn't be trashed, of course, but it probably needs to be tempered - I think the youth vote was attracted to an idealism that deterred the oldies.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.82&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.82"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_83"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_83"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 20:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">83 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.83">42505.83</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_82" target="_self">42505.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Dude, them oldies gonna die.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.83&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.83"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_84"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_84"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 20:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">84 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.84">42505.84</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_83" target="_self">42505.83</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Wish they'd fucking get on with it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.84&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.84"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_85"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_85"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2019 20:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Dec 2019 21:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">85 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.85">42505.85</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.77#a42505_84" target="_self">42505.84</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_horror" title=":-&"><span class="e__">:-&</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.85&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.85"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_86"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_86"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">17 Dec 2019 09:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Dec 2019 11:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">86 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.86">42505.86</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.66">42505.66</a></div> <div class="message_body"> According to a politician friend, If electoral reform was a pledge in the manifesto of the winning party, then it wouldn't need a referendum.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.86&return_msg=42505.77" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.86"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up 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