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Apologies to Neville, Maggie, and Tony.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.91&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.91"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_92"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_92"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2019 15:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Mar 2019 15:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">92 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.92">42264.92</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.89#a42264_91" target="_self">42264.91</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You missed Cameron from that list. He reintroduced entitlement as a primary qualification for government, imposed a savage austerity on the UK that saw an unprecedented rise in rough-sleeping and food banks, and vastly accelerated the flow of wealth upwards to the richest. Then, scared of his party's right-wing and constantly overshadowed by his Bullingdon Club sibling, Boris Johnson, he called the referendum, made a pitiful half-arsed attempt to lead the Remain campaign, lost, and then fucked off as though it had nothing to do with him. The little shit has even suggested, recently, that he still has something to "offer" in government. <br /><br /> But yes, as Ant suggests, a resignation would be long overdue for anybody with any sense of shame. Unfortunately it's beginning to look as though she's determined to persist in order to ensure that the UK leaves the EU without a deal i.e. to carry out her threat. After meeting her yesterday, Anna Soubry said that she seemed delusional "quite seriously". </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.92&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.92"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_93"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_93"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2019 15:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Mar 2019 15:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">93 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.93">42264.93</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.89#a42264_92" target="_self">42264.92</a></div> <div class="message_body"> She certainly looks mentally unfit, by some combination of (no doubt prescription) drug abuse and exhaustion.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.93&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.93"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_94"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_94"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2019 18:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">94 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.94">42264.94</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ooh, they done busted out the Harmy*.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.194625674.8742/flat,800x800,070,f.jpg" style="width:339px;height:400px;" /><br /><br /> *(this is how a <span class="st">Québécoise</span> friend pronounced it many moons ago)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 Mar 2019 18:46 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.94&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.94"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_95"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_95"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">23 Mar 2019 11:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Mar 2019 11:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">95 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.95">42264.95</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.89#a42264_91" target="_self">42264.91</a></div> <div class="message_body"> As William said, Cameron has to be in there as well. The austerity shit is a big reason, but also the whole mess we're in now due to him calling the referendum in the first place. Don't forget that he didn't call it because he believed in the UK leaving (unlike the SNP's Scotland independence referendum), he did it purely to try and boost his own power by uniting his party behind him.<br /><br /> He thought firstly that the Tories wouldn't win a majority, hence they'd have to go into coalition with the Lib Dems again who'd scrub the referendum from taking place (DC could then shrug at his eurosceptic MPs and say "Well, I tried. Now back me". Then when the Tories did get a majority, he never thought for one second that Leave would win, meaning that his campaigning was pitiful. He though Remain would walk it and again, he could say "I've given you the referendum, the people want to remain. Now shut up and back me".<br /><br /> Lastly when Leave did win, he promptly pissed off and left everyone else to deal with the mess he'd created.<br /><br /> Saying that, May is making a compelling argument for becoming one of the worst PMs in history due to her refusal to compromise or listen to MPs, then trying to blame them when the shit inevitably hits the fan.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.95&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.95"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_96"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_96"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">23 Mar 2019 16:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Mar 2019 14:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">96 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.96">42264.96</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.89#a42264_95" target="_self">42264.95</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Cameron knew exactly what he was doing - he'd done his research and knew the vote would be close. <p>Whether he expected remain or leave is irrelevant, both possibilities were planned, and every moment since he announced the referendum has been a calculated charade to expand division and resentment amongst the populace, to exhaust people and grow the apathy that allows the Tories to increase their power and control.</p> <p>Whether May is in on it or a puppet is irrelevant too, her actions are deliberate, her position as PM kept whilst it's needed, just like the rift in the Conservative party - they'll both be gone in moments when it's deemed beneficial to do so.</p> <br /><p>^ Can you prove that wrong?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.96&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.96"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_97"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_97"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Mar 2019 21:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Mar 2019 14:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">97 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.97">42264.97</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.89#a42264_96" target="_self">42264.96</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nope - can't prove that wrong.<br /><br /> I'd be surprised if Cameron was content to appear so ugly in a planned way. And I don't believe that's how it worked out.<br /><br /> I do believe that there's substantially more planning and less random chance in all this, however.<br /><br /> I also believe that Theresa May is probably close to insanity. Not saying i'm sympathetic.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.97&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.97"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_98"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_98"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Mar 2019 16:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">98 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.98">42264.98</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And May's cunning plan is down the shitter.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.98&return_msg=42264.89" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.98"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.99" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>