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It exists, it's there, it's not made up and it's not just a few isolated incidents. <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+semitism+reports+increasing">https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+semitism+reports+increasing</a><br /> <br /> Yes it exists on both (far) sides and the left have had much more media focus (unfairly in comparison), but that doesn't make it correct. <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.46&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2019 22:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Jan 2019 23:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.47">42264.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.29">42264.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If it hasn't started yet, read the last message again.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.47&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2019 23:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2019 00:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.48">42264.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_46" target="_self">42264.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <i>> It exists, it's there, it's not made up and it's not just a few isolated incidents.</i> <p>That is <em>not</em> what I'm saying. </p><p>Let me put it another way: fill in the gaps... </p><p><img src="https://www.tehforum.co.uk/forum/get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=973429a13601e279e82aff3f8e9298e7&filename=labas.png" alt="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=9" /></p> <p>Show a greater proportion of anti-Semitic feelings for any of those categories and you'll have changed my position. (Existing percentages derived from the not-particularly-reputable YouGov.)</p></div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=973429a13601e279e82aff3f8e9298e7&filename=labas.png" target="_blank">labas.png</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.48&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2019 23:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2019 00:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.49">42264.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_46" target="_self">42264.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not Corbyn's fault though, is it?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.49&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2019 07:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2019 10:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.50">42264.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_49" target="_self">42264.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Directly no, but it's his group of followers and it somewhat taints his reputation unfortunately. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.50&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2019 07:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2019 22:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.51">42264.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_48" target="_self">42264.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You just said it was lies. But you seem to (I think) agree it exists.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.51&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2019 10:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2019 10:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.52">42264.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_50" target="_self">42264.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The charge has been vitiated through shrill repetition, and his Blairite/Con enemies have since discovered pacifism is a better stick to beat him with.<br /><br /> How can you be a real empire without (American supplied & controlled) nukes?<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Jan 2019 10:41 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.52&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2019 22:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2019 04:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.53">42264.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_51" target="_self">42264.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The lie is that <em>Labour</em> have a problem with anti-Semitism, and specifically Corbyn's Labour party. <p>I made no claim about the entire UK not having a problem.</p><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Jan 2019 22:53 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.53&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2019 23:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2019 04:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.54">42264.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_50" target="_self">42264.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <i>> it's his group of followers and it somewhat taints his reputation unfortunately. </i> <p>No, it's <em>not</em> "his" group of followers. </p><p>Jeremy Corbyn is opposed to what the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians. </p><p>That attracts support of other people with the same view - and Jeremy welcomes these people. </p><p>It may also attract the support of people with an "enemy of my enemy" perspective, which includes people who don't care what the Israeli government is doing, but opposes Israel purely because it's a Jewish nation - and Jeremy condemns those people. </p><p>I've challenged you to support your assertions with evidence: find statistics that Labour attracts more anti-Semites than other parties. The Tory-leaning YouGov found they've got the <em>lowest</em> rates amongst voters (despite the above), and there's no reason to expect this to be any different among the party membership. </p><p>By believing and repeating that it is a <em>Labour/Corbyn</em> problem without any such proof, you're spreading the propaganda and contributing to the damaged reputation, and in turn reducing the chance of replacing the Conservatives.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.54&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">22 Feb 2019 06:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Feb 2019 22:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.55">42264.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.46#a42264_54" target="_self">42264.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Do Labour now have a problem with antisemitism? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.55&return_msg=42264.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.56" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>