Brexit deal nigh or nyet? - Teh Forum

<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.0&return_msg=42264.195"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.171">171–180</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.181">181–190</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">191–200</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42264.195">Brexit deal nigh or nyet?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42264_195_200_10"> <a name="a42264_195"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_195"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 17:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Dec 2020 17:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">195 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195">42264.195</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.193">42264.193</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yep, better than no deal, but still a shit deal.<br /> <br /> A bit like cutting your foot off is better than cutting your head off...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.195&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.195"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_196"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_196"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 22:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 10:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">196 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.196">42264.196</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195#a42264_195" target="_self">42264.195</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And that total butt-hole Starmer intends to whip the opposition to support it. He seems to have an almost infallible ability to make 180 degree wrong decisions with no pressure on him. The govt. has an 80 seat majority. Labour abstaining would still see the deal go through. Now Johnson can (rightly) state that the deal has support from both sides of the house. <br /> <br /> I suppose I shouldn't expect more when a supposed human-rights lawyer whips the opposition to abstain rather than oppose measures to make soldiers who murder and torture abroad immune from prosecution at home.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.196&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.196"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_197"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_197"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 00:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 07:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">197 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.197">42264.197</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195#a42264_196" target="_self">42264.196</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think in this particular case he’s damned if he does or doesn’t. Abstaining would be taken badly by the UK press. Which doesn’t change my general agreement for what you’re saying, and it’s his as much his own fault as well as his mates for all refusing to countenance the chance we had for a Brexit with single market and free movement (and plenty more besides) under Corbyn. Hope they enjoy reaping the whirlwind sooner rather than later. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.197&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.197"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_198"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_198"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 09:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">198 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.198">42264.198</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195#a42264_197" target="_self">42264.197</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">he’s damned if he does or doesn’t</div> I agree, but sadly, his appearance is his primary consideration, i.e. his Westminster view of how t'northern voters in t'lost constituencies should view him as 'strong' on law and 'supportive' of a brexit/trade deal. In other words, Johnson is driving the agenda and Starmer is in campaign mode as well. Any idea of being honest and principled has vanished. Pity being named after a Labour icon doesn't impart any similarities.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.198&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.198"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_199"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_199"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 10:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">199 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.199">42264.199</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195#a42264_197" target="_self">42264.197</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree, but abstaining would be the right middle ground IMO. It'd show that Labour isn't rejecting the deal, however they are putting full onus on the Tories to own it. By voting in favour, every time Starmer criticises anything about it going forwards, Boris will just reply with "Well, you backed the deal"...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.199&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.199"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_200"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_200"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 13:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">200 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.200">42264.200</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Why Boris blinked:<br /> <br /> <img alt="" src="https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3e22e3012d30ba191c91061999759a5fc05b5d44/0_153_4590_2754/master/4590.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=12ed864ef697b31eaed8e87fb43a658a" style="width:620px;height:372px;" /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.200&return_msg=42264.195" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.200"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> </body>