Brexit deal nigh or nyet? - Teh Forum

<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.0&return_msg=42264.190"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.171">171–180</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.181">181–190</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">191–200</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42264.190">Brexit deal nigh or nyet?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42264_190_200_10"> <a name="a42264_190"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_190"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 6 Sep 2019 15:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">190 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190">42264.190</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Looks like it's in the bag, but WWBD?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.190&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.190"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_191"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_191"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">11 Sep 2019 22:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Sep 2019 17:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">191 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">42264.191</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.189">42264.189</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <i>> The Live posts are again chronological, but in pages so you have to click on at the bottom of each one</i> <p>No, they're backwards. It's not chronological is you don't start at the beginning. <span class="emoticon e_angry" title=":@"><span class="e__">:@</span></span> </p><p>Anyway, I made a script to grab all the pages and reverse the order - browse to the first live page, open the console, paste the following script, hit return, and when it's done it'll scroll to the first entry. If I could be arsed I'd probably make it a GreaseMonkey script or something. <br /></p><pre>(function fixGuardianLive() { var BlockSelector = '.blocks'; var NavSelector = '.liveblog-navigation__link[data-link-name="older page"]'; var Blocks = document.querySelector(BlockSelector); var FixedBlocks = []; appendBlocks(Blocks.children); http_get( document.querySelector(NavSelector).attributes.href.value , addNextPage ); function complete() { Blocks.innerHTML = FixedBlocks.reverse().join() ; Blocks.children[0].scrollIntoView(); } function appendBlocks(Items) { for ( var c = 0 ; c < Items.length ; ++c ) FixedBlocks.push( Items[c].outerHTML ); } function addNextPage() { if ( this.status !== 200 ) { console.error('Failed to append next page') console.log(this); return; } var Content = document.createElement('div'); Content.innerHTML = this.responseText; appendBlocks( Content.querySelector(BlockSelector).children ); var NextPageUrl = Content.querySelector(NavSelector).attributes.href; if ( typeof NextPageUrl !== 'undefined' ) { http_get( NextPageUrl.value , this.onload ); } else { complete(); } }; function http_get(url,onload) { var request = new XMLHttpRequest(); request.open('GET',url,true); request.onload = onload; request.onerror = function(){console.error('Connection error');console.log(this);}; request.send(); } })()</pre></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.191&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.191"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 42264.192 was deleted</div> <a name="a42264_193"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_193"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 14:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">193 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.193">42264.193</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Trade deal's been struck.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.193&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.193"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_194"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_194"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 16:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Dec 2020 17:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">194 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.194">42264.194</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_193" target="_self">42264.193</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Could have had a better deal a year ago. Could have had a better deal under Johnson's government but 1) he's permanently stuck in campaign mode rather than governing 2) he can't work out which faction in his party he's most scared of.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.194&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.194"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_195"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_195"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 17:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Dec 2020 17:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">195 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.195">42264.195</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_193" target="_self">42264.193</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yep, better than no deal, but still a shit deal.<br /> <br /> A bit like cutting your foot off is better than cutting your head off...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.195&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.195"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_196"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_196"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">24 Dec 2020 22:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 10:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">196 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.196">42264.196</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_195" target="_self">42264.195</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And that total butt-hole Starmer intends to whip the opposition to support it. He seems to have an almost infallible ability to make 180 degree wrong decisions with no pressure on him. The govt. has an 80 seat majority. Labour abstaining would still see the deal go through. Now Johnson can (rightly) state that the deal has support from both sides of the house. <br /> <br /> I suppose I shouldn't expect more when a supposed human-rights lawyer whips the opposition to abstain rather than oppose measures to make soldiers who murder and torture abroad immune from prosecution at home.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.196&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.196"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_197"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_197"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 00:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 07:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">197 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.197">42264.197</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_196" target="_self">42264.196</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think in this particular case he’s damned if he does or doesn’t. Abstaining would be taken badly by the UK press. Which doesn’t change my general agreement for what you’re saying, and it’s his as much his own fault as well as his mates for all refusing to countenance the chance we had for a Brexit with single market and free movement (and plenty more besides) under Corbyn. Hope they enjoy reaping the whirlwind sooner rather than later. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.197&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.197"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_198"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_198"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 09:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">198 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.198">42264.198</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_197" target="_self">42264.197</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">he’s damned if he does or doesn’t</div> I agree, but sadly, his appearance is his primary consideration, i.e. his Westminster view of how t'northern voters in t'lost constituencies should view him as 'strong' on law and 'supportive' of a brexit/trade deal. In other words, Johnson is driving the agenda and Starmer is in campaign mode as well. Any idea of being honest and principled has vanished. Pity being named after a Labour icon doesn't impart any similarities.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.198&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.198"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_199"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_199"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">25 Dec 2020 10:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Dec 2020 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">199 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.199">42264.199</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.190#a42264_197" target="_self">42264.197</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree, but abstaining would be the right middle ground IMO. It'd show that Labour isn't rejecting the deal, however they are putting full onus on the Tories to own it. By voting in favour, every time Starmer criticises anything about it going forwards, Boris will just reply with "Well, you backed the deal"...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.199&return_msg=42264.190" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.199"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.200" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>