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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.0&return_msg=42264.178"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.151">151–160</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.161">161–170</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.171">171–180</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.181">181–190</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">191–200</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42264.178">Brexit deal nigh or nyet?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42264_178_200_10"> <a name="a42264_178"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_178"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 09:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 09:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">178 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178">42264.178</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.176">42264.176</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The vicious is getting old, beginning to look more like helpless thrashing about and self-harming. What chances do you give the "people vs parliament" shtick?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.178&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.178"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_179"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_179"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 10:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 12:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">179 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.179">42264.179</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_178" target="_self">42264.178</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's a hard one to call. H L Mencken wrote "No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." The point is that this has moved far from a question of rational argument about what is best for the UK and when we're talking about how individual psychology translates into mass action and choices then who really knows?<br /><br /> I think Johnson has probably lost it for many Tories, but then again, there are a lot of them that emerge into the light when an election is called. And for most of them voting Tory is a religious matter. For many more, they will simply be unaware of events and as long as the Sun and the Daily Mail bray at them that BoJo is good, they'll support him. I mean, who can believe the insanity of Jacob Rees Mogg being portrayed as a Man of the People? A multi-millionaire member of the landed-gentry whose every move and utterance displays contempt for <em>the people. </em></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.179&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.179"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_180"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_180"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 10:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 10:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">180 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.180">42264.180</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_179" target="_self">42264.179</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The key problem with a pre 31 October election for Johnson's government is that the Brexit Party (so-called) will threaten to stand against them unless they adopt a no-deal Brexit policy; but if they do adopt such a policy, they will lose a small, but significant chunk of the pro-Brexit, anti-no-deal constituency. Either way they lose votes. Furthermore, nobody believes that a no-deal crash-out will be without substantial collateral damage, including damage to business, to jobs and to health & life, which will be a long term electoral liability.<br /><br /> Best bets for the Tories might be either to re-introduce the Withdrawal Agreement, ideally with cosmetic tweaks, but failing that, as-is, and hope that sufficient MPs are now bricking it that the balance of voting changes: or, to lose a vote of no confidence and hand the whole sorry mess over to a GNU which will be just as hamstrung as any one-party government.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.180&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.180"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_181"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_181"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 11:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 17:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">181 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.181">42264.181</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_180" target="_self">42264.180</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">nobody believes that a no-deal crash-out will be without substantial collateral damage</div> I wish I shared your faith in our electorate. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.181&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.181"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_182"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_182"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 15:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 15:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">182 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.182">42264.182</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_181" target="_self">42264.181</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's not even just that, they think it's <em>worth it</em> (and presumably that it won't affect them personally so much) somehow. To "get it over with" as though No Deal wouldn't be just the beginning of a colossal fucking mess for the next several decades. <br /><br /> Tories helping a lot by being impressively incompetent but labour played a blinder yesterday and today. I have a tiny sliver of optimism.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.182&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.182"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_183"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_183"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 15:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Sep 2019 09:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">183 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.183">42264.183</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_182" target="_self">42264.182</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I dare say that if you were a fund manager with a business in, I dunno, Ireland, there's a great deal of money to be made by short-selling shares in UK industries that rely on the EU.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.183&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.183"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 42264.184 was deleted</div> <a name="a42264_185"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_185"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 21:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">185 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.185">42264.185</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.175">42264.175</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Seems like lots happened/happening - where can I find a good (but concise) summary of everything?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.185&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.185"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_186"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_186"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 21:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Sep 2019 21:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">186 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.186">42264.186</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_185" target="_self">42264.185</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Depends how granular you want it. Guardian politics live is pretty good moment to moment.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.186&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.186"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_187"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_187"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 22:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Sep 2019 21:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">187 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.187">42264.187</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.178#a42264_185" target="_self">42264.185</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This is pretty amusing<br /><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/IanDunt">https://twitter.com/IanDunt</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.187&return_msg=42264.178" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.187"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.188" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>