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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.0&return_msg=42264.167"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.141">141–150</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.151">151–160</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.161">161–170</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.171">171–180</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">191–200</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42264.167">Brexit deal nigh or nyet?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42264_167_200_10"> <a name="a42264_167"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_167"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">21 Jun 2019 12:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Jun 2019 13:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">167 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167">42264.167</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.166">42264.166</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I only use the Coke Vs. Pepsi analogy in the context of FPTP voting, because it's in their mutual interest to maintain a system that supports the myth of a binary choice. The political calculation is that it's better to have a 50% chance of all of the pie than the virtual guarantee of around a third of it. A proportional system is clearly more democratic, enfranchising virtually every voter, but the Tories and Labour don't support it because it's not in their parties' interests.<br /><br /> To Smiffy's point, yes, Israel has PR; but so do 89 other countries, including some of the most politically stable - staid, even.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.167&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.167"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_168"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_168"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">21 Jun 2019 13:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Jun 2019 16:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">168 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.168">42264.168</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_167" target="_self">42264.167</a></div> <div class="message_body"> fair enough, that makes sense. I never did like fizzy drinks much.<br /><br /> Maybe we can get stuck enough into hung parliaments and minority governments to make it happen, although i dread to think the trouble getting there will cause.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.168&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.168"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_169"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_169"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Jun 2019 13:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Jun 2019 16:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">169 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.169">42264.169</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_167" target="_self">42264.167</a></div> <div class="message_body"> OK, I didn't know that, not having looked into it to any degree (obviously).<br /><br /> 'more democratic' sounds like a good and desirable thing; in the age of facebook and twitter it is proving problematic.<br /><br /> I don't think a particular electoral system or political structure can in and of itself ensure a good outcome, if the participants can't even broadly agree on the definition of what that might look like.<br /><br /> I do think some experimentation is warranted in view of current systemic failures. A lot of what we're seeing is a rejection of the status quo because so many have been hard done by it, they are willing to entertain nuclear options (Trump, Brexit et al).<br /><br /> To me, the only way to save the day (and the planet), is swift and decisive wealth redistribution. Fuck 'slavery reparations', we need *poverty* reparations, on a global scale.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.169&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.169"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_170"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_170"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">21 Jun 2019 21:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jun 2019 10:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">170 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.170">42264.170</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_169" target="_self">42264.169</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Democracy does need an appropriately educated populace to be effective. <p>Capitalism works better when the peons can be conned and divided.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.170&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.170"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_171"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_171"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Jun 2019 13:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">171 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.171">42264.171</a></div> <div class="message_body"> AsboJo got the police called to his girlfriend's flat, over a sofa-ruining drunken altercation last night<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Jun 2019 14:53 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.171&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.171"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_172"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_172"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2019 13:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">172 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.172">42264.172</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_171" target="_self">42264.171</a></div> <div class="message_body"> New series <em>Rise of the Nazis</em> on the BBC starting 2 September. Apparently Germany was a Liberal Democracy and yet 4 years later was in the hands of a dictator with a government of murderers. Seems that it was as much about ruthless personal ambition and a desire to hold onto power by more moderate politicians as it was about extreme ideology. Just saying.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.172&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.172"> <span class="rating">+4/4</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_173"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_173"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2019 13:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2019 13:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">173 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.173">42264.173</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_172" target="_self">42264.172</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What's happening is scary.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.173&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.173"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_174"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_174"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2019 20:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Aug 2019 07:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">174 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.174">42264.174</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_172" target="_self">42264.172</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I could see Irritable Duncan Syndrome filling Joseph Goebbels' shoes.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.174&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.174"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_175"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_175"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 3 Sep 2019 23:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">175 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.175">42264.175</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fuck me if it hasn't all gone sideways. In a good way.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.175&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.175"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_176"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_176"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 4 Sep 2019 06:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Sep 2019 09:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">176 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.176">42264.176</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.167#a42264_175" target="_self">42264.175</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm not counting chickens yet. My rule of thumb is to ask "what would a bunch of spoilt, entitled, schoolboys do now?" It won't necessarily be clever, but it's likely to be vicious. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.176&return_msg=42264.167" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.176"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.177" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>