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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.0&return_msg=42264.131"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.111">111–120</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.121">121–130</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131">131–140</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.141">141–150</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.191">191–200</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42264.131">Brexit deal nigh or nyet?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42264_131_200_10"> <a name="a42264_131"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_131"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">24 May 2019 18:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 May 2019 18:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">131 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131">42264.131</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.130">42264.130</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not sure. If it went to a public vote I can see Boris winning it, but this will be an election for leader of an incumbent party so the public don't get a look in. Raab's a strong contender and has been mooted as the person to bring the party back together into cohesion. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.131&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.131"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_132"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_132"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">24 May 2019 19:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 May 2019 19:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">132 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.132">42264.132</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.130">42264.130</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Wikipedia says there are only actually four declared candidates: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election#Declared">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election#Declared</a> <p>Out of those, three are definitely arseholes, but I don't think I've ever heard of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart">Rory Stewart</a>, who seems to be a curious character. </p><p>He seems to want to <a href="http://www.rorystewart.co.uk/my-vision-for-a-fair-britain-by-rory-stewart-number-10-hopeful-says-hed-ban-nhs-parking-fees-and-take-on-amazon/">focus on rural areas and communities</a>, and doesn't mention any contentious policies. </p><p>But at the same time can you trust anyone who chose such a shit photographer for his "<a href="http://www.rorystewart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/13888122-0-image-a-12_1558657543138.jpg">look at me being prime-ministerial</a>" photo...?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.132&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.132"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_133"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_133"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">24 May 2019 19:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2019 13:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">133 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.133">42264.133</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_132" target="_self">42264.132</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "I’m a shareholder in far more local community pubs than I would like"<br /><br /> Um...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.133&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.133"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_134"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_134"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">24 May 2019 23:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2019 13:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">134 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.134">42264.134</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_132" target="_self">42264.132</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">a curious character</div> He does seem curious and the few times I've seen him interviewed he was rather less obnoxious than most Tory MPs. The thing is, I can't help wondering what went wrong in his life, or what character defect he has to end up as a Tory MP at all.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.134&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.134"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_135"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_135"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">25 May 2019 13:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2019 15:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">135 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.135">42264.135</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_134" target="_self">42264.134</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>There's a 40 minute <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07873d3">BBC4 interview from 3 weeks ago</a> where he apparently discusses it, but it doesn't have a transcript (what happened to BBC accessibility?) and I don't know if I can be arsed listening. </p><p>There's also a <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/jan/14/rory-stewart-tory-mp-penrith"> Guardian article</a> saying: </p><blockquote>He shows a Cameronesque irritation with government: "Excessive regulation, red tape, all the stuff people complain about. You have got more hope with the Tories of having people who speak that kind of language; you can say that sort of thing without them getting defensive . . . I found student politics when I was at university a bit uncomfortable," he says. "I think the Conservative party has changed and I have changed."</blockquote> <p>That's from 2010 when he first became an MP, so I am wondering how his position has changed, but also whether he's relevant - the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election#Declared">Wikipedia article</a> has been updated and Rory's the only candidate showing zero endorsements.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.135&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.135"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_136"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_136"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 May 2019 17:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2019 20:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">136 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.136">42264.136</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_135" target="_self">42264.135</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I gave it a listen (the interview doesn't begin until nearly 6 minutes in). I thought he came across as a bit insubstantial although that may be the style of questioning. I think he's in love with the traditions of a Tory Party that doesn't exist any more.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.136&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.136"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_137"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_137"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">28 May 2019 09:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 May 2019 18:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">137 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.137">42264.137</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_131" target="_self">42264.131</a></div> <div class="message_body"> isn't it up to the Conservative MPs until they get it down to 2 candidates and then all their members get to choose? If he gets that far, it'll be Johnson.<br /><br /> Anyway, think they're up past 10 candidates now, largely incompetent evil scum to a person but some of them are slightly less incompetent than others I suppose.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.137&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.137"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_138"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_138"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">28 May 2019 13:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 May 2019 14:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">138 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.138">42264.138</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_137" target="_self">42264.137</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, the 1922 committee has a batshit crazy system in which they poll Party MPs on all the candidates and the one with the lowest score is chucked out. The shortening list is put to MPs every Tuesday and Thursday(?!) until only two are left, and then it's put out to a vote by all members.<br /><br /> As you say, if Johnson gets that far, his win is a given. But the 1922 Committee don't like him, and neither do many MPs - no Remainer Tory would ever vote for him, and neither would any MP who can't countenance the real possibility of a no-deal.<br /><br /> I'd also be really surprised if Osborne's Standard isn't holding something on him, too. So the 'if' in '...if Johnson gets that far' is a real and significant 'if'.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.138&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.138"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_139"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_139"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">28 May 2019 22:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">139 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.139">42264.139</a></div> <div class="message_body"> With two weeks until nominations close, by endorsement counts Hunt and Gove are the top two front-runners. No idea how popular they are with Conservative membership. <p>28 Jeremy Hunt <br />25 Michael Gove <br />24 Boris Johnson <br />21 Dominic Raab <br />12 Sajid Javid <br />8 Matt Hancock <br />6 Esther McVey <br />4 Andrea Leadsom <br />3 Kit Malthouse <br />3 Rory Stewart </p><p>Kit is another unknown to me, he seems boring but relatively inoffensive. No surprise that he's keeping Rory company at the bottom. </p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.139&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.139"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42264_140"></a><div class="message" id="message_42264_140"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">29 May 2019 09:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 May 2019 21:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">140 of 200</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.140">42264.140</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42264.131#a42264_139" target="_self">42264.139</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've had £40 riding on Gove to be next Tory leader for over a year. They were offering 12:1 at the time and even though I didn't (and don't) think he's likely to win, I thought they'd got the odds wrong so I took a punt.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42264.140&return_msg=42264.131" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42264.140"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42264.141" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>