Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell (2015) - Teh Forum

<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.0&return_msg=42198.27"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.31">31</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42198.27">Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell (2015)</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42198_27_31_10"> <a name="a42198_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_42198_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">17 Apr 2023 16:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Apr 2023 14:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 31</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.27">42198.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.26">42198.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No, I think there are others (eg Zarah Sultana who I admire a lot); frankly some who are a bit more Corbyn-leaning than Rayner whom I don't entirely trust since she's managed to avoid being sidelined in the current administration. At the very least, she's got a talent to avoid the backstabbing! But I don't see Rayner leading the left back into the fold at all.<br /> <br /> They're all being forced out as much/as quickly as possible, generally, by whatever means possible. All of the purge culty stuff that these people aimed at Corbyn (but never actually happened) is being done to the left now, it's depressingly predictable. I quit my membership about 2 years ago but the useless fuckers still email me invites to meetings and stuff.<br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 Apr 2023 17:01 by MILKO</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.27&return_msg=42198.27" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42198.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42198_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_42198_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Apr 2023 17:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Apr 2023 08:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 31</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.28">42198.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.27#a42198_27" target="_self">42198.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 'tis sad. My local party was pretty left wing and pro-Corbyn, but they've kept a low profile over the last couple of years, which is sensible. I'm still a member but I feel less and less a part of things. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.28&return_msg=42198.27" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42198.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42198_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_42198_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Apr 2023 09:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Apr 2023 14:40"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 31</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.29">42198.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.27#a42198_28" target="_self">42198.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> with all the merry refugee demonising stuff (and plenty more besides), it got too "not in my name" to remain a member for me, though I know my CLP has some good people involved.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.29&return_msg=42198.27" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42198.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42198_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_42198_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 Apr 2023 15:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Apr 2023 20:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 31</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.30">42198.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.27#a42198_29" target="_self">42198.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This seems to be happening in many countries simultaneously, perhaps for similar reasons. My own, working theory is twofold:<br /> <br /> 1) the billionaire class (oligarchs, if you will) is locking stuff down to thwart explosions of popular discontent (in developed countries), fuelled by climate change, mass migration, and concerted wealth-extraction efforts. We may be looking at minority rule / autocracy, like we've never known it.<br /> <br /> 2) "the left" has had many problems, many own goals, when there is no margin for error. This could be attributed to general human dumbness afflicting everyone of whatever political stripe, and also (perhaps) to infiltrators/fifth-columnists. Social media has been gasoline on this fire.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.30&return_msg=42198.27" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42198.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42198_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_42198_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">23 Apr 2023 09:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Apr 2023 15:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 31</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.31">42198.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42198.27#a42198_30" target="_self">42198.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Seems like a couple of plausible points there.<br /> <br /> And yes, the left have more than their fair share of self-inflicted injuries. In the UK the Labour right-wing (or <em>centre</em> as they style themselves in this oddly shaped party) are more than happy to lose elections if it prevents a left-wing candidate from winning. In the 1987 general election, Labour MP Ken Fields urged voters in neighbouring Wallassey to vote Tory when it looked certain that a left-wing candidate, Lol Duffy would overturn a massive Tory majority. The Labour party actively conspired with local press to whip up a "Marxist Threat". Duffy still came only 279 votes from winning. Then there's the almost unbelievable onslaught against Corbyn, largely driven by the right of the Labour party again. Of course, around the world things have been much worse. If it wasn't so tragic and awful, one might even laugh in disbelief that during the Spanish Civil War, Stalinists on the Republican side were actually attacking and killing fighters on their own side because they were in the wrong factions. <br /> <br /> The right aren't exactly strangers to infighting either, but they have the plain sense to work together when the battle is actually in progress.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42198.31&return_msg=42198.27" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42198.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> </body>