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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.0&return_msg=42134.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.11">11–20</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.141">141–145</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42134.1">Once upon a time</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42134_1_145_10"> <a name="a42134_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 2 Mar 2018 16:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1">42134.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> ...just about every other thread on this forum was about RAM and graphics cards and hard drives and motherboards and Intel vs AMD and why the new vertical Athlon cards were the greatest thing and how they'd last forever etc.<br /><br /> I assume everybody is too old and grown up and rich and famous to bother with all that now. Well, I'm not.<br /><br /> Anyway, I was working on my oldish Plex and backups server recently and getting quite irked by how slow it is to work on. It had an old Lynnfield i5 with 4GB of RAM and an ancient Toshiba hard drive running Windows 10 and a no-name motherboard made in some factory in China that churns out old Intel and AMD socket mobos for enthusiasts and the impecunious, so I shouldn't be too surprised. It has 6TB of disks apart from this btw. So being as how I'm impulsive, I bought 8GB of RAM to go in it (only two slots) and this didn't speed it up much. So I swapped the hard drive for an allegedly faster 1TB drive pulled out of a laptop, That didn't speed it up much. So I bought a second hand Lynnfield i7 860. All my reading told me that this should make very little difference over an i5 750, but it actually made it go like the proverbial compost off a garden spade. Boot time was halved and it was very surprising. I spent a happy day pootling around when I wondered how well the stock cooler was coping. Hmm. CPU temperature 45C and all four cores individually at 64C to 68C. That seemed warm. I tried stress testing at 100% use with CPU-Z but my nerve broke when all the cores hit 85C after about 10 seconds. I know that generation was supposed to run hot, but...<br /><br /> So I hummed a bit and then bought a Corsair H55 liquid cooler. Now my CPU idles at 11C with the cores at 27C rising to 44C at 100% CPU.<br /><br /> I'm thinking of moving to Paisley tbh.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.1&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.1"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 2 Mar 2018 16:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Mar 2018 17:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.2">42134.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_1" target="_self">42134.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> My old pc really slowed down after I upgraded from Fedora 19 to Febloaty 27. So I applied some tuneups to swappiness, and added zswap which does improve speed a bit, even in my constrained RAM environment (maxed out @2G). I'm now thinking I can probably put off building a new system for a few more months. Oh, and XP is as zippy as ever.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.2&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 3 Mar 2018 12:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Mar 2018 12:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.3">42134.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_1" target="_self">42134.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nothing wrong with the old Lynnfield i5s, I had one in my main PC until 3 months ago. I also had some performance problems a few years back, but I <s>took Viagra</s> replaced the CPU cooler as the standard Intel one quickly clogs with dust, causing the CPU to overheat and throttle. If you don't have an SSD incidentally, I can't recommend one enough. Makes a massive difference to performance compared with an old rust-spinner.<br /><br /> Anyway, I eventually replaced my old i5 750 system end of last year - I had had 8 years of use out of it, and play a fair few games, so it's done me alright overall. In fact if it wasn't for the increased struggling with modern games, I'd probably still be using it as it still motored through most other tasks with ease. My new system (Ryzen 7) is water cooled (Corsair H110i), and it handles temps very well indeed!<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 3 Mar 2018 12:15 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.3&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 3 Mar 2018 12:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Mar 2018 09:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.4">42134.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_3" target="_self">42134.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, I did consider an SSD and I'm still thinking about it. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.4&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 3 Mar 2018 13:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Mar 2018 15:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.5">42134.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_4" target="_self">42134.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Do eeet! Don't eeeet now!<br /> <br /> <br /> There was a good deal on a 512gb Crucial on Amazon yesterday at about £115 ish.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B?tag=hotukdeals062-21">https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B?tag=hotukdeals062-21</a><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 3 Mar 2018 13:46 by KOSWIX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.5&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 3 Mar 2018 15:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Mar 2018 17:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.6">42134.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_5" target="_self">42134.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's a nice SSD, but I don't really need all those GB tbh. I have two SSDs in my laptop: the 128GB Samsung M.2 it came with and a 500GB Samsung that I swapped in from my old PC. My main desktop has a 250GB Crucial SSD and I replaced my partner's laptop HDD with a 500GB Samsung. I don't think I'll ever want to have a PC for my own use without an SSD - there's such a huge performance difference. Well, unless a new faster drive hits the market.<br /><br /> I was tempted to take the 128GB M.2 from my laptop and stick it in the server with a SATA/M.2 adapter, but then I thought it would be nice to keep that in the laptop and do a regular clone/shrink so that if the larger drive ever failed I could simply swap the boot order.<br /><br /> So I've ordered a 120GB WD SSD and another 1TB HDD from Ebuyer. That ups my backup/Plex libraries to 8TB (including the freed up existing 1TB HDD). Loads more room for art movies.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.6&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2018 14:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Mar 2018 18:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.7">42134.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_1" target="_self">42134.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Could the paucity of computer component related threads be down to people not needing to upgrade as much? I got my current PC back in 2011 and it's still running everything I want it to and running it well. I generally play older games as they're likely to run maxed out but it does a fair job of some more (relatively) up to date titles. I got the Dirt Rally game (I think it's that one, the uncompromising one released ~1 year ago) and that looks really nice.<br /><br /> I've got an i5 somethingorother, a GTX560ti and 8GB RAM tbh. I've added disk space over the years, but that's it.<br /><br /> I used to like keeping up to date with all the new hardware, but as is usually the case with these things, you need time, money and inclination and at the moment I've only ever got two of those three things at any one time.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.7&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2018 20:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Mar 2018 21:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.8">42134.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_1" target="_self">42134.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm considering an upgrade to my desktop PC but I either can't keep up with what's good now, don't care or don't want to spend the money.<br /> <br /> It's currently a refurb HP Elite 8200, Core i5 2400, 8GBtbhx4, that was sent by mistake instead of a similar lower spec HP SFF PC about 5 or 6 years ago. I could probably stick an SSD in it and improve things massively without outlaying more on a new system.<br /> <br /> Only upgrades I've made is 4GB to 8GB ram and a half height graphics card capable of driving 3 LCDs. <br /> <br /> I'd probably go for another refurb job from HP or Dell. I've never been cutting edge because I don't game. And some of the refurb deals around are cheaper than building. I guess hobbies change and I'm less inclined to tinker. I want it to "just work".<br /> <br /> Which is similar to my feelings about phones these days. I used to feel the need to get the latest and greatest, maybe because I always felt whatever I had was inadequate in some way, but they're all nearly the same these days with minor incremental upgrades and cost far too much. Probably helps that my One Plus 3 is definitely the most reliable and trustworthy phone I've ever had. Only feel the need to upgrade because of storage. <br /> <br /> Rather make a phone last 6-12 months longer and be able to go on another holiday. Different priorities! </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.8&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2018 21:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Mar 2018 21:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.9">42134.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_8" target="_self">42134.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Refurb pc's are usually excellent value.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.9&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2018 21:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2018 00:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.10">42134.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1#a42134_9" target="_self">42134.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Especially if it's just been sat in a office for a couple of years browsing the Internet and opening spreadsheets. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.10&return_msg=42134.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42134.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>