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He's just a victim of sore "loosers" and media bias?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.19&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">19 May 2017 15:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 May 2017 15:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.20">41947.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_19" target="_self">41947.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19">GAME-CHANGING INNOVATOR (DSMITHHFX)</a></div> <div class="quote">So you think Trump is doing an ok job, and hasn't done anything extraordinary in his campaign or since? He's just a victim of sore "loosers" and media bias?</div> <p>I think that no matter who is the President, that they would be subject to a media intent on destroying them, for a combination of personal pleasure and professional gain.<br /><br /> You can look at the relationship of the white house and the media as far back as I can remember, certainly back to Johnson / Nixon / Carter ,,, up to Obama, and pretty much all of them were under constant media attack.<br /><br /> I really doubt that Hillary would be in any better position (turmoil wise) than Trump is right now, and perhaps she would have been in worse shape.<br /><br /> The same divisiveness that is now so built into our system during elections is the same divisiveness that is used to keep the President (no matter who it is or what party) from being effective. This is not just between the two main parties, but also within the same party. As an example, both Romney and Jeb Bush were hell bent that they deserved to be President and their "crown" was taken away by Trump. They were and remain firmly against anyone that blocks this, even someone with similar political opinions.<br /><br /> It doesn't actually matter if I agree with the US President or not, because my vote in CA is nearly irrelevant, no matter my political views.<br /><br /> What I do think is important is that we try to work within the system in a positive way and to make whoever is holding the Office of the President "comfortable", because when they aren't, the typical result has been that someone starts a war. Wars have a very powerful effect on pulling the country together behind a common cause, and I would like to see this avoided.<br /> </p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 May 2017 15:25 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.20&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">19 May 2017 15:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 May 2017 16:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.21">41947.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_19" target="_self">41947.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19">GAME-CHANGING INNOVATOR (DSMITHHFX)</a></div> <div class="quote">So you think Trump is doing an ok job, and hasn't done anything extraordinary in his campaign or since? He's just a victim of sore "loosers" and media bias?</div> <p>Just slightly more directly answering your question - Trump ran on a "I am going to make some serious changes" kind of agenda. If you have ever worked in a company with a new CEO with a similar agenda, life can be unsettling, to say the least.<br /><br /> Some of his positions, particularly on our trade deficit problem with China, I completely agree with. As a practical matter, I don't think he is being tough enough on them, and if he doesn't get tougher, he will be a one term president.<br /><br /> Pulling out of the pan pacific trade pact - I am very happy that this pact failed as it just gave away the store.<br /><br /> US tax laws on business are a complete mess, it is hard to really know if they will get better or worse. Certainly the current tax system on businesses is driving companies to leave, and is unfair to small and medium business owners who follow US tax laws vs very large companies that can do multi national tax haven games.<br /><br /> No matter who won the election, both Clinton and Trump have son-in-laws that are prominent business people with exceptional ties to Israel and very anti - Iran. I am not completely comfortable with this situation, but it would not have been different no matter who won. I am hoping that this is more of a staging for negotiations than a real problem.<br /><br /> NATO - Yes, I think it is obsolete and don't really understand why it still exists other than to annoy people and spend money. The EU is a large enough critical mass that they can and should pull their own defense together instead of just beating up indebted countries.<br /><br /> Russia - potential influence on elections. I don't doubt that they did have some influence, but so did a bunch of other countries including the UK, the bulk of the EU, most of the middle east, Japan, etc. <br /><br /> Can you imagine if someone actually started to investigate if the UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Germany and Canada had any influence on our elections? Not a single politician at any level would be spared.<br /><br /> As a practical matter, we are all better off figuring out how to work with Russia than constantly against it, because they are a substantial, international influence.<br /><br /><br /> Certainly there are areas where I don't agree with the positions of Mr. Trump, but then again, my wife tells me that I don't usually agree with most anyone. <br /><br /> I am very much trying to be cooperative in getting our country working again, because the divisiveness we have is not helpful for anyone.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 May 2017 15:52 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.21&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">19 May 2017 16:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2017 14:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.22">41947.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_21" target="_self">41947.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">If you have ever worked in a company with a new CEO</div> <p>Stop right there. POTUS is not even remotely like a "CEO", and a nation cannot be run like a for-profit business. This fundamental misunderstanding is a major source of Trump's woes -- and by many accounts, he was a lousy businessman.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.22&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 May 2017 14:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2017 14:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.23">41947.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.18">41947.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.18">Harry (HARRYN)</a></div> <div class="quote"> <div class="quote">Trump had an interesting comment to potential voters, aimed particularly at black voters in MI - something like "You have had a black President for 8 years, how are you doing compared to before? If you vote for me, what have you got to loose?".</div> </div> <p><br /><a href="https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/20/black-voters-say-theyre-already-losing-under-trump.html">https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/20/black-voters-say-theyre-already-losing-under-trump.html</a></p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 20 May 2017 14:47 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.23&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">20 May 2017 21:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 May 2017 14:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.24">41947.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.13">41947.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">California - Similar to OH, any citizen, or dual citizen, 18 years or older can vote - If you are convicted of a felony (example illegal drug use), you loose your right to vote while in prison - Once you are released from prison, you are considered a "Felon" for life, and never allowed to vote again = for your entire life.</div> <br /> But according to the website of the California Secretary of State:<br /> <h1>Voting Rights: Persons with a Criminal History</h1> <p><a href="http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/who-can-vote-california/voting-rights-californians/#print">Print Versions in ten languages</a></p> <h2>Eligibility Requirements</h2> <p>You can register to vote and vote if you are:</p> <ul><li>A United States citizen and a resident of California,</li> <li>18 years old or older on Election Day,</li> <li>Not currently in state or federal prison or on parole for the conviction of a felony, and</li> <li>Not currently found mentally incompetent to vote by a court (for more information, please see <a href="http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-info/conservatorship/" title="Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship">Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship</a>).</li> </ul><h3>Persons with a criminal history who <br /> can register to vote:</h3> <ul><li>In county jail: <ul><li>serving a misdemeanor sentence (a misdemeanor never affects your right to vote)</li> <li>Because jail time is a condition of probation (misdemeanor or felony)</li> <li>Serving a felony jail sentence</li> <li>Awaiting trial</li> </ul></li> <li>On probation</li> <li>On mandatory supervision</li> <li>On post-release community supervision</li> <li>On federal supervised release</li> <li>A person with a juvenile wardship adjudication</li> </ul><h3>Persons with a criminal history who <br /> cannot register and vote:</h3> <ul><li>Currently imprisoned in: <ul><li>State prison</li> <li>Federal prison</li> </ul></li> <li>Currently serving a state prison felony sentence in a county jail or other correctional facility<a href="http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/who-can-vote-california/voting-rights-californians/#penalcode">*</a></li> <li>Currently on parole with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation <ul><li>Once you are done with parole your right to vote is restored, but you must re-register online at <a href="http://registertovote.ca.gov/">RegisterToVote.ca.gov</a> or by filling out a paper voter registration card.</li> </ul></li> </ul></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.24&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.24"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 May 2017 23:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2017 08:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.25">41947.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_24" target="_self">41947.24</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fake news!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.25&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 May 2017 09:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">26 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.26">41947.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Brexit and the coming food crisis: ‘If you can’t feed a country, you haven’t got a country’<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu">https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.26&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">21 May 2017 12:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2017 18:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.27">41947.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_26" target="_self">41947.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Many people really don't realise how much we rely on low cost labour to feed the country. Food manufacturing is definitely majority eastern European on the production lines. Remove that labour force and we're totally screwed.<br /> <br /> To be honest I wasn't totally sure of the extent until fairly recently. I started working in food manufacturing in January and our factory staff on the lines are made up of probably 95%+ non-UK EU citizens. We use agencies during the busy periods and we can only get non-UK people through the door because in general UK people don't want these jobs. <br /> <br /> What this results in is a labour force that is worried about their jobs and future. They have homes, children in schools, families that have moved. They've made their lives in the local communities and there's a risk of them having to leave. It's frankly disgusting. <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 May 2017 12:14 by ANT_THOMAS</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.27&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41947_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_41947_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 May 2017 18:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 May 2017 03:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 34</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.28">41947.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41947.19#a41947_27" target="_self">41947.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Very common in North America too, including Canada, though with Mexicans. Also we have a lot of Phillipinos working as nurses aids, child care etc.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 May 2017 18:21 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41947.28&return_msg=41947.19" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41947.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41947.29" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>