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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.0&return_msg=41892.6"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.11">11–19</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41892.6">DTS</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41892_6_19_10"> <a name="a41892_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 08:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 09:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6">41892.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.4">41892.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've got a few DTS/5.1 albums, but have only ever listened to them through all 6 channels. <span class="emoticon e_curlyhappy" title=":J"><span class="e__">:J</span></span><br /><br /> I've never tried it in stereo. That's something to have a go with tonight though. So, what happens to the audio track then? Would your amp try to cram all the channels into front left and right, or would it do some audio-magikery and downmix everything?<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.6&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 09:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 11:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.7">41892.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_6" target="_self">41892.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think any magic is done in the software of my audio app (VLC usually). Do you have the same album on both CD and DTS? If so, try a track from both in immediate succession, both in stereo alone, and let me know whether you think there's any perceptible difference in quality.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.7&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 10:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 15:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.8">41892.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, if DTS sounds better to you than PCM, then that's probably, um, how it sounds to you. There are far too many variables here to come to a conclusion. For instance, have you played back a decent range of examples of each type on a decent range of kit? If not then it might be something as simple as your music equipment is suited to DTS streams. Or the DTS music you choose to listen to. <br /><br /> The first thing that occurred to me when you mentioned hearing musical detail in DTS that was 'missing' in PCM, is the inherent differences between the two. DTS was specifically developed as a multi channel encoding method. DTS music/tracks are intentionally mixed and balanced as separate streams for the separate channels and different considerations are involved from mixing and balancing PCM for, say, a CD. It wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if the gain was wound up on a particular channel for a DTS track, and that might well emphasise, say, a vocal passage or a piece of guitar work that is less evident on a basic PCM recording.<br /><br /> Listen to a multi channel movie soundtrack on a stereo or mono sound system and hear how emphasised some of the lows and highs are, and often how muddy and unclear the voices can be.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.8&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.8"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 11:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 15:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.9">41892.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> All digital representation of an analogue source are compressed, i've no idea if there's a difference in the encoding between the two formats.<br /><br /> However, if you have a 5.1 source and are listening to it on 2.0, something somewhere is mixing the sources. The mix produced by VLC (or whatever) to 2.0 is going to be different to what a produced in a studio decided on, so it will sound different to the same album produced for 2.0 playback.<br /><br /> A CD is generally produced to sound 'good' on a variety of playback devices - a posh stereo, a car CD player, a noisy shop etc. When mixing for 5.1, a lot of those devices can be ignored so the decisions on the mix are a bit more straightforward in that respect.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.9&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.9"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 15:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">10 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.10">41892.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Thanks WmA & Kos for thoughts. No, Wm, I've not been that forensic about it. <br /><br /> When I started to wonder if it was a thing, I listened to a couple of CDs and DTSs side by side (Foxtrot by Genesis, God help me, and Revolver by the Beatles) I was very familiar with both, so maybe it was just that a different mix drew my attention to different bits. But I still preferred it in both cases. Could just be the novelty.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.10&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 18:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 20:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.11">41892.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_10" target="_self">41892.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Were said DTSs a jim contribution?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.11&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 20:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 20:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.12">41892.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_11" target="_self">41892.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I believe he had a hand in it, yes.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.12&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 20:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 23:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.13">41892.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_12" target="_self">41892.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah, I was wondering if you could encode it yourself but I guess not (also you would need better sources than cd).</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.13&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.13"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 7 Mar 2017 17:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Mar 2017 19:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.14">41892.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_7" target="_self">41892.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yep, got a few albums both on CD and DTS, mostly the reissued REM albums from their Warner Bros years.<br /><br /> I was poorly last night and went to bed early, so didn't get a chance to try it. Providing tonight (and my stomach) doesn't throw anything up, I'll try comparing them.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.14&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.14"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 7 Mar 2017 21:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Mar 2017 00:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.15">41892.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6#a41892_7" target="_self">41892.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Right, I've had a listen to 'Losing My Religion' a few times through various audio wossnames. I've not put the subwoofer on 'cos the kids are in bed, so that's something to try on the weekend. <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span><br /><br /> From the CD, standard stereo, things sound ok.<br /><br /> Listened to the 5.1 DTS and (as you might expect) everything's punchier, vocals stand out, individual instruments can be heard through surround channels.<br /><br /> DTS in stereo /does/ make a difference. The bass guitar is way more discernable, while still maintaining the quailty of vocals as before.<br /><br /> There's also a Dolby Digital stereo track, but I couldn't tell any difference between that and the original.<br /><br /> I'd like to try it with the sub on too, and with some more complex tracks. I've got Nick Cave's Dig, Lazarus, Dig in 5.1, which sounds awesome and I'll try that out when I've got some free time.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.15&return_msg=41892.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41892.16" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>