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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.0&return_msg=41828.21"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.31">31–40</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.81">81–85</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41828.21">The US Presidential Election 2016</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41828_21_85_10"> <a name="a41828_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 00:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 00:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21">41828.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.20">41828.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Just to calm any nerves:<br /> - There will be nearly no difference between these two candidates as far as Europe / UK / Middle East are concerned, business, politics, or wars.<br /><br /> - The only country that will really feel any difference is China. Clinton will embrace it, Trump will not.<br /><br /> - There are some minor differences in how domestic policies are run, but less than you might think, as congress is a glacier, and lobbies still run the country.<br /><br /> It's a republic, not a democracy, so the voters can shift a lot and it matters little for many years.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.21&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 02:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 16:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.22">41828.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.20">41828.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Out of those only Florida and Ohio have anything in. <br />Ohio is 49.1 vs 47.2 at 25.2% to Hilly Billy. <br />Florida is 49.1 vs 47.8 at 73.6% to Donald Duck. <p>Yay exciting numbers and stuff! <span class="emoticon e_bounce" title="(bounce)"><span class="e__">(bounce)</span></span> </p><p>Boo for bedtime being the wrong side of now. <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.22&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 06:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">23 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.23">41828.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well it looks like what most people outside of the US feared is happening. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.23&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 06:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 06:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.24">41828.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21#a41828_23" target="_self">41828.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Stunner. <span class="emoticon e_shock" title=":-O"><span class="e__">:-O</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.24&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 07:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">25 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.25">41828.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well at least the exchange rate has improved a bit >.<<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 9 Nov 2016 07:55 by KOSWIX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.25&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 08:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 09:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.26">41828.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21#a41828_25" target="_self">41828.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah fuck.<br /><br /> I'm starting to think the world is full of apathetic plebs who just want to watch the world burn.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.26&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 13:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">27 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.27">41828.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think it's safe to say polling looks to have had its day in modern-day politics. Many Trump voters keeping quiet about that fact.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.27&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 15:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 16:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.28">41828.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21#a41828_27" target="_self">41828.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Polling drives a great deal of 'news reporting' (and the ad revenues that come with it) so no, I don't think we've seen the last of it. I bet it's going to be a lot more carefully crafted, around stuff like twitter and facebook. And it will still frequently fail.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.28&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 16:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">29 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.29">41828.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> At least in the US, we see a lot of supposed polls used to try to sell you on an idea, rather than ask your actual feelings and views. There are so many polls and phone calls to people that they start to push back by providing misleading information.<br /><br /> It is also very difficult to estimate voter turn out. The weather was very mild, both candidates were very divisive in their politics, and both are very well known figures. You can see by looking at the numbers that the difference in votes is quite small both nationally and in many states.<br /><br /> People gave a lot of thought to their votes and turn out was quite high. The candidates very much targeted their audience and won their audience. Sanders might have actually won if he were the candidate, since he had a wider political appeal to centrist, but Hillary simply could not expand past her core audience. <br /><br /> Personally, I think that at least part of the voter push back was that Michael Bloomberg of NY is funding so many campaigns and issues across the country, and he is particularly unpopular outside of his very narrow base. He funds a lot of democrats (including Clinton) and requires them to take certain positions on issues, even if it costs them votes, or in this case, the election.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 9 Nov 2016 16:16 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.29&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41828_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_41828_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 9 Nov 2016 16:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Nov 2016 17:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 85</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.30">41828.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.21#a41828_28" target="_self">41828.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41828.28">Tiger Blowfish Liver (DSMITHHFX)</a></div> <div class="quote">Polling drives a great deal of 'news reporting' (and the ad revenues that come with it) so no, I don't think we've seen the last of it. I bet it's going to be a lot more carefully crafted, around stuff like twitter and facebook. And it will still frequently fail.</div> <p><br /> I still have not really figured out the value of twitter.<br /><br /> It makes perfect sense for a candidate to use twitter to communicate to the audience / potential voters, but what is the value in reading this information unless you are already are interested in the candidate? <br /><br /> Why would a casual democratic voter follow a republican candidate, or frankly, why follow even the democratic candidates? I would think that most people make up their minds years in advance on how they will vote.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 9 Nov 2016 16:24 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41828.30&return_msg=41828.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41828.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41828.31" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>