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Are you saying they are all made up and not a ring of truth to any of them?<br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.64&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.64"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_65"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_65"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Jun 2016 12:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Jun 2016 12:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">65 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.65">41766.65</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.63">41766.63</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think Labour's one chance of winning a snap election, albeit a very slim one, was for it to consolidate behind Corbyn, and help him to capitalize on the 'brexit buyers' remorse', which financial markets are turning into a roaring conflagration as we speak.<br /><br /> If they're going into a bitter and divisive leadership campaign, which Corbyn is almost bound to win if his name is on the ballot (according to party rules, it must be), then they might as well throw in the towel now, and prepare for a Boris coronation.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 27 Jun 2016 12:36 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.65&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.65"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_66"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_66"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">27 Jun 2016 15:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Jun 2016 02:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">66 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.66">41766.66</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_64" target="_self">41766.64</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Very few figures were given, those that were were not cited, and stating an opinion ("too much immigration" or "the euro has failed" for example) does it make them fact, they are still just opinion. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.66&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.66"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_67"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_67"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">27 Jun 2016 15:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Jun 2016 23:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">67 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.67">41766.67</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.62">41766.62</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I heard him speak about 6 months ago and he came over well, but that was with a receptive audience. He treats his audience with respect and doesn't dumb down his message which means that with a proportion of the electorate he is bound to fail. Somebody like Boris who comes on with arms aloft and announces 'Big!' nods a couple of times and follows through with 'Shiny!' will succeed.<br /><br /> But Corbyn's real problem is the opposition ranked against him, and that's the vast majority of the press and other media and his own parliamentary party who were busy briefing against him before the ink was dry on his candidacy. The behaviour of both is just jaw-dropping. If there's a Tory crisis then expect the story to be 'Corbyn not up to exploiting Tory crisis' and the press can pick from twenty third way Labour MPs to provide soundbites. You will almost never see footage of one of his speeches. What you will see is Laura Kuenssberg with her claims about what he must be thinking, usually with a few of her barbed remarks presented as factual reporting. On Saturday morning The BBC gave Ann Coffey an 'interview' where she was able to present a character assassination of Corbyn without a challenge or critical question. the following morning, a scheduled appearance by the shadow chancellor John McDonnell was replaced with an interview with Hilary Benn, again largely unchallenged and uncritical. Sweet old Hilary gave his faint praise destruction of Corbyn with relish, every inch the conspirator - the kind of thing that would have had his father spinning in his grave.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.67&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.67"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_68"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_68"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 14:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">68 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.68">41766.68</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Whoa.<br /><br /> Just like that, <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/30/brexit-live-theresa-may-and-boris-johnson-set-to-announce-leadership-bids">BoJo's out</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.68&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.68"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_69"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_69"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 14:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jun 2016 14:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">69 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.69">41766.69</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_68" target="_self">41766.68</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <img alt="" src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif" style="width:315px;height:210px;" /><br /><br /> The 7 days since the referendum are getting very much out of hand.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.69&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.69"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_70"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_70"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: dave (10_ROGUE)<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 14:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jun 2016 14:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">70 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.70">41766.70</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_68" target="_self">41766.68</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Wasn't he moved from education secretary to chief whip before the last election because no one can stand him? What does he think has changed? I thought there was more than a touch of machiavelli about him, but he's pulled a proper bait and switch with Boris.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 30 Jun 2016 14:17 by 10_ROGUE</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.70&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.70"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_71"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_71"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 14:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jun 2016 14:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">71 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.71">41766.71</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_69" target="_self">41766.69</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Captain's locked himself in his cabin with a bottle of rum and service revolver, mutineers are either fist-fighting or jumping overboard.<br /><br /> Icebergs ahead...<br /><br /> <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.71&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.71"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_72"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_72"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 15:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jun 2016 15:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">72 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.72">41766.72</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_71" target="_self">41766.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/StaWDgQD6Gg" style="height:360px;margin:0px auto;width:480px;"></iframe><br /><br /> As much as I dislike the current lot, I'm backing Theresa May for PM. She seems the most staunch, forthright and switched on of the lot.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.72&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.72"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41766_73"></a><div class="message" id="message_41766_73"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">30 Jun 2016 15:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Jun 2016 15:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">73 of 93</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.73">41766.73</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41766.64#a41766_72" target="_self">41766.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's like saying rhubarb is the the most <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><span style="font-size:12.8px;">staunch, forthright and switched on. Only because it's forced to develop in artificial conditions.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Theresa May is probably the most dangerous of the lot, as she is severely </span>ideologically<span style="font-size:12.8px;"> driven and seems to have the skills to pull off her ideas. At least gove wouldn't actually manage to fuck anything up.</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41766.73&return_msg=41766.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41766.73"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41766.74" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>