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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.0&return_msg=41641.80"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.81">81–90</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.91">91–100</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.201">201–207</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41641.80">Dump Trump</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41641_80_207_10"> <a name="a41641_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 11:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80">41641.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">41641.77</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">milko</a></div> <div class="quote">I think, though the phrasing is awkward, that he is saying the majority of them are indeed for revenge. For some reason also saying "the very few" in there to imply there aren't actually many school shootings at all. Which I suppose is one of those "relative to what?" questions because I'd say there's been loads of them in the last decade.</div> <p><br /> Yes, you are correct, I am saying that the majority appear to be revenge related, and the total is not very many, which of course is a good thing. Yes this is just my own personal opinion based on reading everything I could find on the subject, not only from our own local news sources, but also international web news, psychological analysis of professionals, and some other information sources I have.<br /><br /> I agree that I am not an expert in this area, even if I think I know what I am talking about.<br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.80&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_81"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_81"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">81 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.81">41641.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually, the main reason that I am posting on this forum is that I am thinking about using Beehive forum s/w for a sort of small company communications, not to talk politics. If anyone would like to look at the thread I started on this topic area and maybe comment on some of the questions in my long winded first post, that would really be appreciated.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.81&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.81"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_82"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_82"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 09:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">82 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.82">41641.82</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78">41641.78</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That was the point I was trying to make. Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean it's terrorism/politically motivated. When the white Christians shoot a place up and talk about God it doesn't seem to be considered terrorism, but when the brown Muslims do the same it is instantly terrorism. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.82&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.82"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_83"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_83"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 16:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">83 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.83">41641.83</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_81" target="_self">41641.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're welcome to continue contributing, another opposing voice is appreciated. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.83&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.83"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_84"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_84"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 10:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">84 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.84">41641.84</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_82" target="_self">41641.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 'sactly.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.84&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.84"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_85"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_85"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 11:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 16:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">85 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.85">41641.85</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_80" target="_self">41641.80</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think revenge against bullying *may be* a factor in *some* of the domestic US mass shootings, but unquestionably the main factor is the ubiquity and easy access to guns. I believe that terrorism is indeed a motivation underlying the staging of these spectacular acts, clearly intended to garner as much publicity as possible. The US needs to look at gun culture as an extremely dangerous and insidious form of terrorism within American society that thus far has inflicted far more death and destruction than any external threat.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 31 Jan 2016 11:22 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.85&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.85"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_86"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_86"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 15:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 15:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">86 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.86">41641.86</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_82" target="_self">41641.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">When the white Christians shoot a place up and talk about God</div> <p>I'd like to see your face on that one. I don't think I have ever heard a bigger bullshite statement in my life. So let's see your source on that whopper. Last mass shooting I remember God being mentioned, the shooter <em>targeted </em>Christians.<br /><br /> Daft.<br /><br /> You need to read about some real studies on threat-assessment data instead of making crap up in your mind.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.86&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.86"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_87"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_87"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Linn (INDYLS)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 16:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 18:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">87 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.87">41641.87</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">41641.77</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah yes, It appears I misread, my mistake <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.87&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.87"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_88"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_88"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 16:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 18:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">88 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.88">41641.88</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_86" target="_self">41641.86</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think it's only fair that I read up on some mass-shootings, this might take a few days because there's loads. I'm looking specifically at 2015 mass shootings.<br /><br /> I've only read info on the last 7 of 2015 so far. Already it's clear that I'm so glad there's only a small amount of guns over here because 6 of those look like shootings due to petty arguments, including a shooting at a vigil of a shooting?!?!?!?<br /><br /> The other one was a hate crime targeting gay people, I am going to label that as religious.<br /><br /> Maybe I need a spreadsheet, but the trend so far does look like arguments and shootings at bars. No guns would just result in a bit of fisticuffs and people going on their way, not bullet wounds.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.88&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.88"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_89"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_89"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 19:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 19:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">89 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.89">41641.89</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80#a41641_88" target="_self">41641.88</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I think it's only fair that I read up on some mass-shootings, this might take a few days because there's loads. I'm looking specifically at 2015 mass shootings.</div> <p>I agree that you should read up and also that there's loads. Problem is, the statistics - without arguing about the <em>fact that there are a lot of them</em>, which is beyond dispute - are skewed because of bias or positioning.<br /><br /> I'll be glad to continue the discussion, but I am not sure the Dump Trump thread is the best place for it. There's so much more ammo available for Trump, we are sidetracking and hijacking that discussion.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The other one was a hate crime targeting gay people, I am going to label that as religious.</div> <p>I'd disagree with that unless it can be proved that the targeting is from a pure religious standpoint; most violent opposition of gays doesn't stem from religious people unless they are liars. Truly religious people dislike the "sin" (as they view it from their particular standpoint or religious flavour) but love the "sinner" nonetheless. I put sin and sinner in quotes to separate from my particular viewpoint and make it generic.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">but the trend so far does look like arguments and shootings at bars. No guns would just result in a bit of fisticuffs and people going on their way, not bullet wounds.</div> <p>I guess it depends where the data comes from, and what is used to determine the parameters. In the U.S., a mass shooting is defined at 4 or more injuries or deaths, not including the shooter. I think you are going to find it a difficult slog, because [your] conclusion of fisticuffs being the only result discounts the possibility of stabbings, blunt object use, knives, bottles, strangulation, high heels used as a weapon (a woman killed her boyfriend with her killer heels); lack of bullet wounds is not better in the terms of overall violence, but I would assume you are going to use that to support your theory that all guns should be outlawed.<br /><br /> I'll state again, it isn't going to happen in the U.S., no matter how impassioned a the plea made or the data gathered. No one is taking my guns, period.<br /><br /> What may happen, though, is a better effort made at determining who is at risk for perpetrating violent acts, mass or otherwise. They do it because they are delusional, ignored - generally social outcasts who feel like they don't matter or nobody likes them.<br /><br /> I mentioned once before that over 60% of gun deaths in this country are suicides. Sometimes this number gets buried in the statistics when people are trying to make the point that guns should be outlawed. Well, I have known a half a dozen people at least who committed suicide, out of them only one killed himself with a gun. One hung himself, three girls took overdoses and one drank himself to death. The guy who killed himself with the gun tried to drink himself to death, but it didn't work. I suspect had he not had a gun he would have found another way, because he was severely depressed and his family ignored him; I was too far away from him to be of any help, and I am sorry to say that I didn't realise his family would turn their backs on him after I told them that Brook was not well.<br /><br /> I think you are going to have to look at a more broad spectrum of data than 2015, unfortunately.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.89&return_msg=41641.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.89"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.90" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>