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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.0&return_msg=41641.44"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.51">51–60</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.201">201–207</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41641.44">Dump Trump</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41641_44_207_10"> <a name="a41641_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2015 18:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Linn (INDYLS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Dec 2015 17:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.44">41641.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.43">41641.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm not sure 'addressed' is the right term... <span class="emoticon e_giggle" title="(giggle)"><span class="e__">(giggle)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.44&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">16 Dec 2015 20:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Linn (INDYLS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Dec 2015 17:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.45">41641.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.43">41641.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's what you do when you're trying to defend something. If it's defendable, you calmly and maturely make your point and back it up accordingly. If it's indefensible, you just slander the other person.<br /><br /> Fixrman: It's a simple fact that if you are killed in America by another human, that person is *far* more likely to be a none-Muslim fellow American than a Muslim terrorist.<br /><br /> Since 2001, there have been 3,380 American people killed in terrorist related incidents - and this includes the 2,990 people killed in the September 11th attacks. Alternatively, in the same time there have been 406,496 people killed in gun crime on American soil. So, over a 99% chance of being killed due to American gun crime than in a terrorist incident.<br /><br /> Sorry, but that is outrageous. Yet according to Trump, you should ban all Muslims entering the country and force them all to carry ID, yet it's wrong for Obama to suggest that gun laws should be tightened in any way to try and reduce these fatality rates. According to you, Trump is speaking sense and Obama is the dangerous one?<br /><br /> Do you not see how fucked up that is?<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.45&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.45"> <span class="rating">+3/3</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2015 20:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">46 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.46">41641.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> <p style="margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(26,26,26);font-family:AkzidenzGrotesk, sans-serif;font-size:17px;line-height:28px;">A new poll from <a href="http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(255,59,0);">Public Policy Polling</a> (PPP) found that a surprising number of American voters would support bombing Agrabah.</p> <div style="color:rgb(26,26,26);font-family:AkzidenzGrotesk, sans-serif;font-size:17px;line-height:28px;"> </div> <p style="margin:1em 0px;color:rgb(26,26,26);font-family:AkzidenzGrotesk, sans-serif;font-size:17px;line-height:28px;">You know — that place that <strong>doesn’t exist</strong> outside of the lovely, Disney-fied “<a href="http://www.mtv.com/news/utag/movie/aladdin/349959/" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(255,59,0);">Aladdin</a>” universe. Yea, <em>that</em> Agrabah.</p> </div> <br /><br /><br /> <a href="http://www.mtv.com/news/2690960/aladdin-bombing-fictional-country-agrabah-public-policy-polling/?xrs=_s.fb_main">http://www.mtv.com/news/2690960/aladdin-bombing-fictional-country-agrabah-public-policy-polling/?xrs=_s.fb_main</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.46&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jan 2016 15:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Jan 2016 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.47">41641.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.31">41641.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">You don’t like Trump because he has shitty hair, calls it as he sees it and isn’t a leftie? Because he has a lot of money, isn’t a politician and his views don’t match yours?</div> Nobody you're arguing against has actually said that though. <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Fuck you, you politically correct asshat. You don’t know shit from Shinola and you don’t know fuck all about American politics. It would require a true twat to think he sees one, but there you go thinking again.</div> How does this strengthen your position? <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">BUT, if Trump can get this country moving again, can cut through the red tape of Washington and actually get things done; if he can get Congress to stop sitting on their hands whilst they are figuring out a way to suck more money out of the hands of Americans; if he can restore American pride instead of being an apologist all of the time, then fine – I’ll be for him.</div> The problem is nobody outside of his fanboys thinks he's remotely capable of any of that.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.47&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.47"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jan 2016 17:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jan 2016 23:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.48">41641.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.44#a41641_47" target="_self">41641.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/california-man-shoots-killed-son-article-1.2482484">Darwin's on it</a>.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.48&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 5 Jan 2016 19:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">49 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.49">41641.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35238349?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35238349?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.49&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 7 Jan 2016 20:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Jan 2016 20:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.50">41641.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.44#a41641_49" target="_self">41641.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I find it amusing that he's going on about withholding "£500m of development" from his golf course up here if he gets banned.<br /><br /> First of all, if it's costing that much then he's hiring the wrong contractors. And secondly, he's basically threatening *not* to bulldoze numerous hectares of a site of special scientific interest. Oddly enough, I don't have a problem with that. Trump's threat is actually an invitation as far as I'm concerned.<br /><br /> Edit: For anyone not familiar with the area, <a href="https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/Guardian/environment/gallery/2008/nov/04/donaldtrump/GD7556826@The-vulnerable-sand-d-4076.jpg?w=700&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=e9dc16d24d32592d788039fa07598d62">This</a> is the view that Trump wants to supposedly spend £500m replacing with another golf course...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 Jan 2016 20:09 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.50&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 9 Jan 2016 13:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Jan 2016 19:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.51">41641.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.38">41641.38</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Is terrorism by muslim immigrants a big problem in the US?</div> <p>Well, if one paints by the numbers, since 1972 - probably no. Thanks by the way for a nice reply.<br /><br /> A quick search (How many attacks by Muslims in America) revealed <a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm">this</a>, which in no way did I have time to verify (nor did I even read it to see if there were any political rants, I just looked at the numbers. Now, it comes from the Internet, so YMMV. The numbers [don't seem to be] wild, so I used it as a reference. BTW, the numbers do not include the recent Philadelphia shooting of a police officer whilst stopped in his patrol car by a man claiming to have done the shooting in the name of Islam. Our asshat new Mayor of Philadelphia, Jim Kenney, said in a presser that it had nothing to do with Islam, despite the suspect saying so. A rather inauspicious start as a new mayor, I suspect.<br /><br /> Incidentally, the police officer who was shot is my boss's son's partner - not that it changes the situation much, but it does hit closer to home, so to speak.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">If we shouldn't guffaw at Trump he should really stop doing such hilariously awful things.</div> <p>Perhaps it is just the cultural difference of things. To be fair, I wouldn't say our Democratic base criticises Trump much differently to you lot, except that I know more Democrats here, talked to more Democrats here; many political-level Democrats (office holders) have been well-educated an in many cases are intelligent, but in contrast a quite large percentage of their <em>supporters</em> are not. Many of those Democratic supporters do not even know the platform their beloved candidates run on, just voting for them because of the promise of largess.<br /><br /> As far as the hilariously awful things he does, is it really any different to what is being done now? For example, obama's Middle East policies (to the extent he actually has them) have been dismal failures; obama is widely touted as a good speaker (never mind the teleprompter ;-p). I'll take a less gifted orator any day favour of someone who will promote the best progress in America without pandering exclusively to special interests.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Our Prime Minister allegedly sexually violated a pig's head! I bet Trump hasn't managed that yet</div> <p>It is the "alleged" part that has yet to be determined, no? But of course, the media will run with something like that here in a character assassination of someone they don't like, although they make excuses for or fail to report on people they do like. The media here has been licking obama's boots for ages.<br /><br /> There's a lot of time for Trumpy-boy to prove or disprove himself. I just hope (and it is thin at best) that the American people do a better job at electing a president than they have the last two go rounds. Unfortunately, the best guy for the job doesn't want the job, and the lot we have now are polarising at best.<br /><br /> Enjoy the entertainment while it lasts. I wish we could limit the bloviating to less than six months, and limit the money spent to about three million per candidate.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.51&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Jan 2016 13:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Jan 2016 13:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.52">41641.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.44#a41641_51" target="_self">41641.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.51">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote"> <div class="quotetext"><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Enjoy the entertainment while it lasts. I wish we could limit the bloviating to less than six months, and limit the money spent to about three million per candidate.</span></div> </div> I'm glad you feel the same, but I guess most people would.<br /><br /> It just seems like your Presidential election will last around 18 months due to the nature of your system - opposition not having a regular leader, being a presidential rather than party based victory, 2 term limit.<br /><br /> Ignoring the fact that you can't stand Obama, would you be in favour of allowing Presidents to sit for 3 terms?<br /><br /> I just feel like 8 years isn't long enough to get a decent amount done, especially if there has been a change in party.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.52&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 9 Jan 2016 13:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jan 2016 11:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.53">41641.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.44#a41641_45" target="_self">41641.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Trump:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life." <p>Trump's campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."</p> </div> So what is wrong with that?<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">yet it's wrong for Obama to suggest that gun laws should be tightened in any way to try and reduce these fatality rates. According to you, Trump is speaking sense and Obama is the dangerous one?</div> Absolutely. Let me ask you this, what was the obama response to Fast and Furious? That was a gun walking program, if you don't know. What did obama and his attorney general do about those guns? Seems that guns are dangerous only in certain circumstances, such as when we can pander to the media frenzy when a news even occurs.<br /><br /> You should read the June 2013 <u>White</u> <u>House</u> report on guns, commissioned by the current POTUS. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span> I'll bet you won't see a reference by obama to it though, because the results do not reflect his current narrative.<br /><br /> The currecnt laws need to be enforced is what needs to happen, and there needs to be a vehicle to report mental health issues to prevent those same people from owning a gun. That can't happen now. Without enforcing currenyt laws, what is the sense of making new ones?<br /><br /> Just so you know, the "Gun Show Loop Hole" is a specious argument for more gun laws. The Loop Hole assumes that there are unlicensed gun sales going on at gun shows, yet this is rarely ever the case. Illegal guns are sold and obtained by illegals possessing illegal guns, or are obtained by people who are legally allowed to obtain guns who give access or use to people who shouldn't have them.<br /><br /> One cannot purchase guns over the internet without going through a FFL dealer, who must perform a background check. Contrary to what obama says, guns are not "easier to purchase than groceries"; last time I purchased a pistol, it took me about a half an hour to select one, and it took the PIC System at least 15 minutes or more to analyse and approve my purchase.<br /><br /> The last time I purchased groceries, I walked in, selected all that I wanted with no one's having told me I can't - and proceeded to the checkout terminal and left. No one checked to see if I was allowed to buy the groceries I selected, nobody questioned any of my purchases whatsoever.<br /><br /> So if obama could let automatic weapons walk in to Mexico and whoever knows where else - without regard as to where they could really end up - why is he so worried about it now? He even ran interference for Eric Holder to protect the program and actions. So tell me that makes sense.<br /><br /> By the way, all in America should be required to have ID. I am required to have it at all times, as should any person in America. We should have to present ID in order to vote as well, just as one <u>must </u>do in order to collect a cheque at the Social Security Office. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span><br /><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.53&return_msg=41641.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.54" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>