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It does not have to have a preamp, I have two receivers capable of using an old fashioned RCA input. USB DAC is fine, but I really want an Old Skool turntable, direct drive. The Audio Technica AT-LP240/USB pretty much has it all.<br /><br /><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.9&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 08:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 12:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.10">41626.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.6">41626.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Any particular reason why you're after direct drive and an S-shaped tone arm?<br /><br /> Just curious really. All of the really outstanding turntables at all budget points since the 60s have been belt driven and the vast majority have opted for a straight tone arm - even firms like SME who produced a few snaky ones over the years.<br /><br /> I don't imagine that at the budget point of the Technics there will be world of difference between various models in sound quality, particularly if the signal is going into a receiver rather than a dedicated amp. so is it the appearance or convenience or what?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.10&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 12:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 16:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.11">41626.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_10" target="_self">41626.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was always an audiophile wannabe, as a young kid. Most of my audio equipment was hand-picked as a kid - from the trash. My best "find" was a Knight International Model 333 [tube] receiver with Tuning Eye; while not high end by any means, for a 14 year old kid with 45 bucks in the bank who was using a given-to-him Montgomery Ward console stereo, to me it was like owning a Marantz.<br /><br /> I took that console apart, liberated the Garrard turntable from it and mounted it in a plinth from another turntable; the speakers I kept for a future project, never achieved. I rarely had matching speakers until I did a snow-shoveling job for a guy who gave me a set of speakers he couldn't be bothered to try to sell. He felt bad that I had shoveled a 35 foot driveway of 30-some inches of snow with the help of youngest brother (I paid brother) and he wanted to sweeten the deal.<br /><br /> When I finally got the big raise in the mid-eighties, I went out and bought a Sansui (remember them?) system that sounded great - but kept blowing tweeters at moderate levels. I gave up, later got married and listened to what I thought was good music from CDs. They did sound "better", but only because speakers had improved over the years, even cheap ones.<br /><br /> Later, I wanted to get a DVD player so we could watch movies as a family. I bought a three year-old Pioneer AV receiver from a work friend cheap, also a 4 head stereo VCR. It sounded much better when a going out of business sale introduced me to Mirage speakers. Another sale found me with a Mirage center channel, yet another yielded a set of Bigger Mirage A-channel speakers. What? Now a full matched set?<br /><br /> What's all this to do with a turntable? Since I've kept the vinyl, I want a way to play it. I haven't had a turntable since probably 1996, even that was from a combination system my wife-to-be bought me for Christmas. I will mate it to the Harmon Kardon youngest brother sent me from one of his whacko customers in Florida who upgraded. I can afford a good turntable now, after many years of denying the extravagance. I want a good, solid turntable - one that is durable, doesn't vary in speed and looks good. Direct drive means lower maintenance and true speed. The S-arm is probably mostly for aesthetics, as I cannot find any source that makes a definitive case for one over the other.<br /><br /> My first turntable (record player - and not a Close N' Play) was given to me when I was two years old in 1965. It was a Majorette that played 16-78 RPM records. Internal three-inch speaker and fibreboard case, I was the shizzle at two. I played records continuously, wearing out needles in mere weeks, much to the surprise of the owner of the record shop who was convinced I was breaking them. I could change the needles myself at three, luckily. Diamond stylus upgrades were necessary by then. <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":-P"><span class="e__">:-P</span></span> <br /><br /> Don't you think I deserve a good turntable at this point? <span class="emoticon e_nod" title="(nod)"><span class="e__">(nod)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.11&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 16:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Nov 2015 03:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.12">41626.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_11" target="_self">41626.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Don't you think I deserve a good turntable at this point?</div> Absolutely. That's why I wondered about the Technics SL1200.<br /><br /> It's always had a reputation for being a good quality deck. My brother owned one in the mid 70s and if I remember correctly it was very nicely built piece of kit with genuine hi-fidelity qualities. Since I haven't sat down and compared dozens of alternatives, I can hardly claim any expertise so if it sounds good to you that's the main thing - along with it being what you want!<br /><br /> My setup is fairly vintage: a Systemdek 2X, Rega RB300, Goldring 1042 combo through a modified Aura Evolution amp and a pair of home built transmission line speakers. The cartridge is only a few years old and the deck's been serviced. I use it just about every day.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.12&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 20:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 22:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.13">41626.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_12" target="_self">41626.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What do you listen to?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.13&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 20:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 20:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.14">41626.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_13" target="_self">41626.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> White noise. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.14&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.14"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 20:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 21:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.15">41626.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_14" target="_self">41626.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Limbo in musical terms.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.15&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 22:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Nov 2015 09:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.16">41626.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_13" target="_self">41626.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> er, music mainly. Was that not apparent?<br /><br /> I do have a couple of LPs with speech on them. There's a Viv Stanshall album from the Rawlinson End John Peel sessions, also Lemmings by National Lampoon. Oh and the National Lampoon Missing Watergate Tapes. To be fair, the Lemmings album has music on it.<br /><br /> But yes music. Just about anything.<br /><br /> Not that fond of U2, or any of that boring fashionable 90s stuff like Coldplay or Snow Patrol. Given my history I may like some of it in 20 years if I'm still alive (I'll be 80ish).<br /><br /> Edit: Missing <em>White House</em> Tapes (I checked)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 Nov 2015 22:55 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.16&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Nov 2015 22:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Nov 2015 22:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.17">41626.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_16" target="_self">41626.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> But, in case my talk of vinyl was misleading I do also have a CD player and an MP3 player and mod cons such as a mobile phone.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.17&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41626_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_41626_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">18 Nov 2015 01:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Nov 2015 09:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 33</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.18">41626.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41626.9#a41626_14" target="_self">41626.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So... Rock 'n Roll.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41626.18&return_msg=41626.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41626.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41626.19" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>