ISIS Strikes in Paris - Teh Forum

<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.0&return_msg=41625.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.11">11–20</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.31">31–40</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41625.1">ISIS Strikes in Paris</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41625_1_40_10"> <a name="a41625_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 13:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1">41625.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 6 separate, cowardly attacks across Paris; 158 dead, at least 99 people in critical condition. Perhaps a little profiling was wanted here: It may have saved lives. Perhaps [public] people carrying a few guns would have saved some lives. Perhaps a strict immigration/travel policy may have saved lives.<br /><br /> How many lives would one gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen saved? How about one in each of the six attack sites? Maybe none, but perhaps 20 or more might have been saved. An AK-47 has a practical firing rate of 100 rds/min; in semi-automatic mode, 40 rds/min, full cyclic mode, 600 rds/min. That's a lot of lead flying around in the air, aimed at civilians, in the hands of cowardly masked terrorists. One masked coward hit with a couple of rounds by a person with a concealed carry permit - or even a business owner - may save lives.<br /><br /> If theirs is such a noble endeavour - to purge the world of "infidels" - why do terrorists wear <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/why-isis-and-hamas-wear-m_b_5947128.html">masks</a>?<br /><br /> From the link:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><em>Recently it was discovered that a gang of paedophiles molested over 1,400 girls in Britain. They got away with this crime for the last fifteen years because authorities, abetted by the police, did not wish to seem racist in investigating the charges because the alleged perpetrators were of Pakistani origin.</em></div> <br /> So should guns be removed from the hands of citizens? It is a debate that will continue for a long time, I expect. The individuals in this Paris attack did not have background checks or permits to carry, and were carrying weapons that even many NRA members don't possess.<br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 14 Nov 2015 13:26 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.1&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.1"> <span class="rating">-4/4</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 14:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 14:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.2">41625.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_1" target="_self">41625.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001<br /> <br /> 3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.<br /> <br /> 1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.<br /> <br /> 1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968<br /> <br /> More guns results in more deaths.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 14 Nov 2015 14:03 by ANT_THOMAS</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.2&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.2"> <span class="rating">+3/3</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 14:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 14:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.3">41625.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_2" target="_self">41625.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.</div> <p>I see you have conveniently left out the number of Britons saved in WWI, II with guns.<br /><br /> Guns are obviously here to stay, even in your own country. The Paris Judiciaire carried guns to respond to the attack.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">More guns results in more deaths.</div> <p><br /> Taking the tack that eliminating guns will result in fewer deaths is naive at best.<br /><br /> Let's look at <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/16/knife-in-england-and-wales-up-for-first-time-in-four-years">knives</a> in England:</p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> <p>Knife crime has increased in England and Wales for the first time in four years, with the number of assaults with blades rising 13%, according to the latest set of police recorded crime figures.</p> </div> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The increase to 26,370 offences was announced ahead</div> <p>So by your logic, since knives kill people, all knives should be banned. It is too simplistic a view, ANT. I've provided links for my sources.</p> <div> </div> <div class="addthis_toolbox social"> <div class="custom_images small-black"> <div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="meta date">May 7, 2013</div> <h1><a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/">Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware</a></h1> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.</div> <a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/">Homicide</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.3&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 14:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 14:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.4">41625.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_3" target="_self">41625.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Incidentally, ANT, automobiles kill people too, so we should ban the ownership and use of them. To wit:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">There were 30,057 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2013 in which 32,719 deaths occurred. This resulted in national motor vehicle crash death rates of 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.11 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. The fatality rate per 100,000 people ranged from a low of 3.1 in the District of Columbia to a high of 22.6 in Montana. The death rates per 100 million vehicle miles traveled ranged from 0.56 in the District of Columbia to 1.96 in Montana.</div> <a href="http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview">Fatality Facts</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.4&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 14:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.5">41625.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_3" target="_self">41625.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Do you believe gun ownership results in the less innocent deaths?<br /><br /> I don't believe guns have a practical use for members of the general public, outside of maybe hunting. Knives obviously have a practical use in the kitchen. There is a huge difference between killing with a gun and a knife. Attacking with a knife is so much more involved, but also so much easier to defend.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.5&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 14:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.6">41625.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_4" target="_self">41625.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Deaths from cars generally aren't deliberate acts of murder, poor comparison.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.6&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 15:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.7">41625.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_1" target="_self">41625.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> > Perhaps a strict immigration/travel policy may have saved lives. <p>Fuckwit. </p><p>This saves me typing: </p><p><i>If anyone you know tries to use last night's attacks as a reason to turn away migrants and asylum seekers, please just remind them that most asylum seekers are trying to escape precisely the sort of people who perpetrated the Paris attack. They're not bringing it with them, they're trying to escape it.</i> </p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.7&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.7"> <span class="rating">+5/5</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 15:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.8">41625.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_5" target="_self">41625.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">but also so much easier to defend.</div> <p>Tell that to the dead.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.8&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 15:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.9">41625.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_8" target="_self">41625.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Is it easier to defend against someone with a gun or someone with a knife? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.9&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41625_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41625_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">14 Nov 2015 15:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Nov 2015 15:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 40</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.10">41625.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41625.1#a41625_7" target="_self">41625.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Fuckwit.</div> <p>I expected better from you, Peter. Resorting to base expletives is a rather low form of wit, don't you think?<br /><br /> Try replacing "fuck" with "intercourse" and see how it sounds.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><i>If anyone you know tries to use last night's attacks as a reason to turn away migrants and asylum seekers,</i></div> <p>I don't want to turn away migrants and asylum seekers, but I do want to prevent illegal immigration and scoundrels from entering anyone's country - just as I want to make sure that guns don't get into the hands of a schizophrenic, psycopath, sociopath, manic-depressive, paranoiac, drug addict or a Methodist.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41625.10&return_msg=41625.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41625.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41625.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>