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It didn't, so I didn't.<br /><br /> I'm happy to wait for the notification rather than faff about with an ISO or USB install.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.50&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 11:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.51">41543.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.49">41543.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe I'm in the 10%. Thumb on top, three fingers in the hole/handle (YJ) and little finger outside at the bottom for support.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.51&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 11:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.52">41543.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50#a41543_50" target="_self">41543.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You don't have to use an ISO or USB, you just go to the link and download a wee exe file which does it all in-place. If you want to do it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.52&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 14:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.53">41543.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50#a41543_52" target="_self">41543.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Still too much faff. I don't have the sort of time to download a file and double-click on it! Are you some sort of mad-man?<br /><br /> Jeez.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.53&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 17:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.54">41543.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.43">41543.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Eww.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.54&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 18:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.55">41543.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47">41543.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> With regards to Windows on the desktop and starting over from scratch. They can't, or rather people up-high have told them they can't. I'm sure there are plenty of developers in the Windows group that would <em>love </em>and have probably tried to start over, but have been shot down / don't have the needed permission from the bean counters to make it stick.<br /><br /> As for Windows Mobile - 8 and 10 really aren't that bad. Microsoft's biggest problem was enticing users and thus developers away from Android and iOS. Essentially, Apple and Google have done and are still doing to Microsoft what Microsoft did to it's competitors on the desktop - got people too heavily invested in their platforms for them to be able to switch. But in the similar vein, Apple and Google are now nearing the same position Microsoft are in but on Mobile - they have so many users heavily invested in Android and iOS that they simply would not be able to afford to start over.<br /><br /> And I'm not going to touch the NT kernel stuff - obvious troll is obvious <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.55&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 18:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.56">41543.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47">41543.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You obviously know WAY more than I do about an OS, but I will offer this: NT was actually good back with Windows 2000. I <em>really</em> liked W2K because it was such an improvement over path picky and cranky W98/98SE. ME was a shitbox OS; of course, the old saw of "every other release was OK" applies (for me), but I didn't care for XP at all.<br /><br /> Windows 7 was, in my opinion a better extension of 2000 but it was way too bloated. I installed W7 32 bit on an SSD and paid the ultimate price because it didn't play nice with GRUB, even though *nix and Windoze were on 2 separate drives, both OSes were hosed one fine day when something wasn't well liked.<br /><br /> One thing that really grinds my gears is the endless restarts on updates with Windoze. They HAVE to get away from that. With Linux (specifically Mint, but they all operate pretty much the same in *nix land), I can install 442 updates in about 4 minutes whilst continuing what I am doing without a disruption. 442 updates on Windows could take 30 minutes, and I have to watch a circular juggle of balls(YJ) whilst I <u>do not</u> do anything else because Windoze prevents it.<br /><br /> I am glad to be rid of the Charms Bar (well, it is mostly gone) but I want to be rid of 80% of those "touch the edge utilities". I don't have a tablet or a touchscreen, so<em> stop making me use an OS that thinks I have a touchscreen or tablet, dammit</em>! Actually, I dislike using a laptop because I hate the keyboards, preferring a full size, clacky keyboard.<br /><br /> Microsoft doesn't realise, nor do they care it seems, that the OS needs to be just a tool to get things done, rather than something that invades the whole time spent on the box. I don't want the OS to be so front and center that I know it is there all of the time. Now I am going back to the Linux box because whatever I borked when sonny and I were tearing the basement apart - a light fixture had fallen and knocked the FiOS cable out - now works again. <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":-D"><span class="e__">:-D</span></span> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.56&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_57"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_57"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 13:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 13:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">57 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.57">41543.57</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50#a41543_55" target="_self">41543.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's been interesting any time I've been to any developer-related Microsoft events (Tech Ed many moons ago, a SQL course in Seattle more recently), to hear the tales from the people on the ground in Microsoft. There's a lot of inter-departmental wrangling goes on, especially for something like SSIS, where the SQL team were dependent on what the Visual Studio team could produce for the interface, and had to deal with the Office team to figure out how the hell to extract data from the various formats of Office documents (and if you want a laugh, all you have to do is ask about date handling in Excel and 64-bit ODBC drivers).<br /><br /> I wonder what'll happen in the future to the stuff like Visual Studio and SQL Server - it's not sexy modern customer facing stuff, so it doesn't sell to the general public, but I imagine the licensing of that kind of thing is a fairly hefty chunk of their income, and it is dependent on having an OS that'll run the stuff.<br /><br /> (The main reason I wonder what'll happen is because if they were to decide to give up on SQL Server, rather a lot of the stuff I work on, and the people I work for, would be a bit screwed.)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.57&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.57"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 13:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 13:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.58">41543.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50#a41543_57" target="_self">41543.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Meanwhile, I can't upgrade my home PC to 10, because "There are no supported networking devices", despite my computer having an utterly bog standard Atheros (wired) and Ralink (wireless) devices.<br /><br /> I'm taking that as a hint not to bother upgrading yet.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.58&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_59"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_59"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 14:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">59 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.59">41543.59</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I feel a chip shop parable coming on...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.59&return_msg=41543.50" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.59"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41543.60" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>