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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.0&return_msg=41543.47"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.51">51–60</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.101">101–110</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41543.47">Hands up if you're stupid...</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41543_47_110_10"> <a name="a41543_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 21:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47">41543.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41">41543.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Windows is in a weird position now, though. It's still overwhelmingly dominant on the PC, obviously, but it's in a strange kind of dead-end.<br /><br /> Outside of the PC it's irrelevant (ignoring WinCE embedded stuff which is more of an anomaly than anything else) and the narrative for the past few years has been that the desktop is dead/dying. Which is obviously bollocks but it's certainly true that mobile has been the growth area for the last few years and MS have spectacularly failed to do anything at all in that market.<br /><br /> So they're left with a woefully outdated* desktop OS and their choice is: play it safe and give that creaky old OS <em>another</em> new coat of paint or play it risky, try to shoehorn that OS onto mobile and hope for some penetration (YJ).<br /><br /> And they've kinda opted for... both. Which leaves them with a technically quite good but massively unpopular mobile OS and a technically dead but massively popular (though not hugely profitable) desktop OS. They can't afford to do an actual new Windows for a market no one is sure matters any more but they can't withdraw from a market they have like 90% share of. So... we get Windows 10, while they figure out what the fuck to do and/or hope that people suddenly start liking Windows on mobile.<br /><br /> And with the diminishing significance of the OS on the platform they still control (largely due to the rise of web-apps but the diversification of computing in general has played a big part too) they're slowly bleeding out in that market too as users opt for Macs, Chromebooks or just an Android/iOS tablet instead of a laptop.<br /><br /> It'll take a long long time for MS to lose their dominance on PC, obviously, but without new tech or genuine new features (so not Cortana) even fanboys are going to struggle to find reasons to stay after a while.<br /><br /> * Basically the NT4 kernel; weird, semi-64bit support (and mostly 32bit userland); outdated, feature-poor filesystem (which is poor on SSDs) - no snapshotting, no decent built-in (and trusted) encrytion, no decent (i.e. 'free') compression, no (real) on the fly-resizing, no pooling/cloning/subvolumes etc. etc.; Poor security model (even aside from NSA-backdoor concerns (which business in particular is increasingly concerned about)); No real sandboxing (nothing like chroots or BSD jails); terrible containerisation support; shitty VM tech and no in-kernel hypervisor.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.47&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 23:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 06:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.48">41543.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.38">41543.38</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're curious. <p>Which two fingers and how?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.48&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 06:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Aug 2015 23:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.49">41543.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_48" target="_self">41543.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I suspect 90% of people would be similar, but it'd be index and middle finger wrapped around the handle, coming back into one's palm with the thumb placed on top to steady things.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.49&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 10:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Aug 2015 23:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50">41543.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.1">41543.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> When I say 'attempted', what I actually mean is that I got home from work, turned my machine on expecting it to notify me to install. It didn't, so I didn't.<br /><br /> I'm happy to wait for the notification rather than faff about with an ISO or USB install.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.50&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 11:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.51">41543.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_49" target="_self">41543.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe I'm in the 10%. Thumb on top, three fingers in the hole/handle (YJ) and little finger outside at the bottom for support.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.51&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 11:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.52">41543.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_50" target="_self">41543.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You don't have to use an ISO or USB, you just go to the link and download a wee exe file which does it all in-place. If you want to do it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.52&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 14:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.53">41543.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_52" target="_self">41543.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Still too much faff. I don't have the sort of time to download a file and double-click on it! Are you some sort of mad-man?<br /><br /> Jeez.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.53&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 17:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.54">41543.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.43">41543.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Eww.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.54&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 18:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.55">41543.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_47" target="_self">41543.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> With regards to Windows on the desktop and starting over from scratch. They can't, or rather people up-high have told them they can't. I'm sure there are plenty of developers in the Windows group that would <em>love </em>and have probably tried to start over, but have been shot down / don't have the needed permission from the bean counters to make it stick.<br /><br /> As for Windows Mobile - 8 and 10 really aren't that bad. Microsoft's biggest problem was enticing users and thus developers away from Android and iOS. Essentially, Apple and Google have done and are still doing to Microsoft what Microsoft did to it's competitors on the desktop - got people too heavily invested in their platforms for them to be able to switch. But in the similar vein, Apple and Google are now nearing the same position Microsoft are in but on Mobile - they have so many users heavily invested in Android and iOS that they simply would not be able to afford to start over.<br /><br /> And I'm not going to touch the NT kernel stuff - obvious troll is obvious <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.55&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 12:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 18:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.56">41543.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47#a41543_47" target="_self">41543.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You obviously know WAY more than I do about an OS, but I will offer this: NT was actually good back with Windows 2000. I <em>really</em> liked W2K because it was such an improvement over path picky and cranky W98/98SE. ME was a shitbox OS; of course, the old saw of "every other release was OK" applies (for me), but I didn't care for XP at all.<br /><br /> Windows 7 was, in my opinion a better extension of 2000 but it was way too bloated. I installed W7 32 bit on an SSD and paid the ultimate price because it didn't play nice with GRUB, even though *nix and Windoze were on 2 separate drives, both OSes were hosed one fine day when something wasn't well liked.<br /><br /> One thing that really grinds my gears is the endless restarts on updates with Windoze. They HAVE to get away from that. With Linux (specifically Mint, but they all operate pretty much the same in *nix land), I can install 442 updates in about 4 minutes whilst continuing what I am doing without a disruption. 442 updates on Windows could take 30 minutes, and I have to watch a circular juggle of balls(YJ) whilst I <u>do not</u> do anything else because Windoze prevents it.<br /><br /> I am glad to be rid of the Charms Bar (well, it is mostly gone) but I want to be rid of 80% of those "touch the edge utilities". I don't have a tablet or a touchscreen, so<em> stop making me use an OS that thinks I have a touchscreen or tablet, dammit</em>! Actually, I dislike using a laptop because I hate the keyboards, preferring a full size, clacky keyboard.<br /><br /> Microsoft doesn't realise, nor do they care it seems, that the OS needs to be just a tool to get things done, rather than something that invades the whole time spent on the box. I don't want the OS to be so front and center that I know it is there all of the time. Now I am going back to the Linux box because whatever I borked when sonny and I were tearing the basement apart - a light fixture had fallen and knocked the FiOS cable out - now works again. <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":-D"><span class="e__">:-D</span></span> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.56&return_msg=41543.47" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41543.57" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>