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I've had an eBay account for ages and stopped selling anything once I started getting scammed like you are. You have no power, but the buyer sure does. He's about to get a free lathe from you and you can't do anything about it! The burden of proof is 100% on you when it shouldn't be! Fuck eBay.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.74&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.74"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_75"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_75"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 01:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">75 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.75">41424.75</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.71">41424.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It was a brand new purpose bought box and contained a lot more bubble-wrap etc when it left here.<br /><br /> This really isn't about laws and regulations and suchlike, eBay's policy is "buyers are happy or the seller sorts it out"<br /><br /> They have frozen my money, I can't touch it until this is fixed, it's eBay's game and you have to play by eBay rules.<br /><br /> Obviously laws and regulations etc over-rule eBay, but that's a long-term much-hassle route, for now at least it's down to me to sort it out.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.75&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.75"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_76"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_76"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 16:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 01:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">76 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.76">41424.76</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.73">41424.73</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Find it as hard as you like, but if you look up there ^^^ you'll see the post I made quoting the Unfair Contract Terms with reference to couriers, linked back to the UK Gov website.<br /><br /> Royal Mail is governed by totally separate laws and rules to couriers as they provide a regulated postal service, however after a good scan of that link I didn't see anything about signatures invalidating claims.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.76&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.76"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_77"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_77"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 16:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 16:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">77 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.77">41424.77</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_76" target="_self">41424.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 'Tis true the EU favors statutory consumer protections over buyer beware.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.77&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.77"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 02:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 13:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.78">41424.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_75" target="_self">41424.75</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jon, I understand what you are saying, about the box being new, etc. But just because you had a new box and bubble wrap doesn't mean that that the packaging was adequate.<br /><br /> Something that it heavy, particularly if it is irregularly shaped, is not easy to package. I'd have used two cartons for that parcel, and I'd have packed it so that there was no way for the wieght inside to move. Movement = breakage. I learned that early on. I didn;t want to be responsible for damaged packages, so I learned early on how to make them impervious to transit damage. Even the packages I exported to Canada made it without bursting. But that was my profession at the time, it is certainly unreasonable to expect a casual shipper to package professionally.<br /><br /> I'd probably find another way to sell from here o out were it mean, Doesn't worth it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.78&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_79"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_79"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 02:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 08:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">79 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.79">41424.79</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_76" target="_self">41424.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Every Bill of Lading I ever signed contained the words, Received in Good condition By______________. Woe betide to the blighter who signed for a shredded package such as in the image Jon posted.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.79&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.79"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 09:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 12:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.80">41424.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_78" target="_self">41424.78</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We can't know if the packaging was adequate, because the photo is meaningless unless it was taken on the receiver's doorstep at the moment of delivery. As it is, there are several possibilities:<br /> - the package and contents were damaged after it was signed for<br /> - the buyer wanted the lathe so bad he signed for the visibly, badly damaged package hoping it would be ok.<br /> - someone indifferent to the damaged state of the package (child/neighbor/landlord) signed for it.<br /> <br /> It is true though that packages are roughly handled, and ones with fragile/heavy contents (like machinery) have to be crafted to withstand a lot of punishment.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.80&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_81"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_81"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 12:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 13:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">81 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.81">41424.81</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_80" target="_self">41424.80</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I understand what you are saying. But as a person who spent 4 years packaging heavy materials handling parts and equipment, I can tell you that most people who don't do a lot of that type of packaging do not do it properly. It is just the way it is.<br /><br /> For example - and this is not just hindsight here or second-guessing - I have already said that I would have double-boxed an item like that. There would have been at least a 1" protective layer of cardboard on the bottom, sides and top. I most likely would have cut cardboard shims or used expandable foam to pack the item in (the canned type will work). The key is to make sure that the heavy item cannot move, cannot puncture the sides.<br /><br /> I have sent electric motors, steering boxes, heavy shafts/axles and any number of odd combinations of things all across the United States and into Canada. Packing well means no problems. I didn't have problems with package damage, the only problem was <em>package loss</em>, claimed by the receiver to the Carrier when the item was not received within the expected time frame. Usually this ends up being a mis-delivered package that someone keeps because they feel lucky. Perhaps they can even use the item, who knows. These days, packages are a bit easier to track.<br /><br /> In the end run, either the package was packed properly or it was roughly handled. Maybe a comination of a bit of the two. Now knowing how shitty eBay's policy seems to be, at least in the U.K. (I'd bet U.S. is similar), it would give me pause to sell on eBay in the future.<br /><br /> I sold two cars on eBay, but those were picked up by the buyers. As a matter of fact, one of the vehicles I sold was a rusted-out Nissan B2000 pickmeup truck that I listed as a parts vehicle. The fuel tank cradle was rotted out, but the purchaser insisted on driving it home so, at his request, I used some strapping bands to help secure it. I still recommended a flat bed, but he did drive it home and loved the truck. Why, I'll never know.<br /><br /> The Ford Escort I sold to a young kid whose dad came with him because it had to be titled by the father due to the son's age. It was a manual shift, something he did not know how to drive. I offered instruction that was refused. Poor decision on sonny's part, because he was starting out in 3rd gear. I tried one last time to show him, but I was told he knew what he was doing. 15 minutes later I got a call from the dad that "we" had a problem. When I asked what the problem was, the dad said the car won't move and smells like something is on fire (I knew he had smoked the clutch and had predicted it to the father). I told him that that wasn't "our" problem, it was <u>their</u> problem, as they had declined driving instruction. He asked me for help and I gave it: The number of a reliable flatbed towing company. So the $400.00 vehicle needed $450.00 worth of repairs before it had even been driven 5 miles. Priceless.<br /><br /> By the way, both gave me excellent ratings prior to collecting their merchandise. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span> <br /><br /><span style="color:#800000;">>> - the package and contents were damaged after it was signed for <<</span> Likely. Part of the lathe was bent, indicating it had been dropped by somebody - could have been the Carrier.<br /><br /><span style="color:#800000;">>> - the buyer wanted the lathe so bad he signed for the visibly, badly damaged package hoping it would be ok.<<</span> Plausible, but very dumb. In that case, take the lumps for being a dope in trying to push hope into a rope.<br /><br /><span style="color:#800000;">>>- someone indifferent to the damaged state of the package (child/neighbor/landlord) signed for it.<<</span> Shouldn't think so, but still possible. A delivery exception could have/should have been made. I'd be looking into that and asking for Proof of Delivery.<br /><br /> All in all it is a sad deal all around.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.81&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.81"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_82"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_82"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 13:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">82 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.82">41424.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I have sold loads on eBay, always been praised for packaging, indeed this guy has praised the packaging of the bits that actually arrived. The lathe was dismantled and individual parts wrapped independently, the whole box was stuffed to the gills with additional packaging and bubble-wrap.<br /><br /> Today he has contacted me saying this problem is between me and the carrier (which is also eBay's thinking unfortunately), he thinks I should just refund his whole £77 now and deal with the carrier myself.<br /><br /> I have replied that I am not happy to do anything at all until the carrier has had a chance to respond. his money is safe (eBay/paypal have it) but that he has made the situation much worse than it need have been by signing for it 'undamaged' and so he needs to wait and see.<br /><br /> *IF* the carrier pays out then he will get his money back of course, but if not then I intend to argue that he should have refused the delivery, failing that he could have accepted but marked it as 'packaging severely damaged, contents not inspected'.<br /><br /> I think the most likely outcome is eBay will give him his money back and I will be left to argue with eBay and possibly fight with the carrier using info from this thread (thanks) regarding signatures being about delivery, not condition. I may lose that too. <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.82&return_msg=41424.74" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.82"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_83"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_83"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 14:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 14:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">83 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.83">41424.83</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74#a41424_82" target="_self">41424.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I have seen the inside of so many delivery vans that not matter how well the items were packed they would have arrived damaged.<br /> <br /> Night Freight, the same company who delivered our fireworks years ago, were delivering a corner wall cupboard for an MFI kitchen that didn't turn up with the rest of the kitchen.The back of the van looked like a bomb had gone off in there. The driver was stepping on parcels, throwing them around trying yo find what he was looking for. When he did find it he threw it from the front of the van, over some other parcels, to the back door. 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