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Ken was making a point that people might shoot to injure/wound - my point is if you're shooting, you should believe that it's 99% likely that person will die. And, if you're not okay with that, you need to keep your finger off the trigger.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.91&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.91"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_92"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_92"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">12 Oct 2014 12:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Oct 2014 13:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">92 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.92">41226.92</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_91" target="_self">41226.91</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Dan, I don't know you well enough to know necessarily what you mean. I am sure this discussion would go differently in person because we could see each others expressions, hear tone, experience body language - all the things helpful in discerning position. Plus, there is a little bit of a difference in our expressions here and yours there that even my English heritage doesn't fully account.<br /><br /> The point I am trying to make is that I do not have some sort of "cowboy" mentality when it comes to guns; I believe gun ownership carries with it great responsibility, and even greater responsibility with their use. I believe gun ownership should be difficult to get and difficult to keep. Desperados were criminals and I am not a criminal.<br /><br /> I believe guns should be allowed for those who have been approved via a strict process. I believe if a gun is to be used for defense it should be treated the same way we are told to drive, i.e we drive defensively, not offensively. I believe if we followed the gun laws we already have, we would not have half the problems we have now with guns.<br /><br /> Sorry. I forgot. If I am shooting at someone in self defense I am not sure I would injure to wound, I think I would be shooting to hit. So that means trunk area until I see that the person no longer is a threat, such as having dropped their firearm.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 12 Oct 2014 12:34 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.92&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.92"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_93"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_93"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">14 Oct 2014 18:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">93 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.93">41226.93</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Milko is a fine example of the right of the British to bear small arms. IGMC</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.93&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.93"> <span class="rating">+4/4</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_94"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_94"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">14 Oct 2014 20:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">94 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.94">41226.94</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I rather like the fact that Americans can kill each other. It makes so much more sense than them killing other things.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.94&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.94"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_95"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_95"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">15 Oct 2014 02:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Oct 2014 06:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">95 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.95">41226.95</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_94" target="_self">41226.94</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Brits can kill each other too, and have done. It is messy and takes a long time, but even a bumbershoot will do.<br /><br /> I'd say at this point this thread has gone long past a useful purpose, that being gun laws. You are now reducing it to taunting and ridicule. Gun laws: We have them. They aren't good enough and/or aren't being followed.<br /><br /> I won't convince anyone they should have or want to have guns, and you folks will not convince me to give up my right to have or own them - not that I want to do either. It is an impasse.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 15 Oct 2014 02:10 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.95&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.95"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_96"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_96"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">15 Oct 2014 02:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Oct 2014 15:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">96 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.96">41226.96</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_95" target="_self">41226.95</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Kinda what I said some time ago. But it's not an impasse because there's no meaningful dispute.<br /><br /> We operate on different moral guages. Who's to say which is right? Morality is more relative than any of us would care to think.<br /><br /> The common ground is in agreeing that nations and communities have the right to their own moral principles and supporting legislation. <em>A chacun son goût, </em>as they say.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.96&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.96"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_97"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_97"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">15 Oct 2014 15:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Oct 2014 15:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">97 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.97">41226.97</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_96" target="_self">41226.96</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No, actually you are right. I am not disputing we have some problems with our gun laws. They need to be followed.<br /><br /> The discussion got sidetracked to assertions that Americans should give up their guns and guns should be made illegal. Whether or not I agree in immaterial because it isn't up to me. I will say this though, I do not believe giving up rights for safety is a guarantee for more safety - it could mean less.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.97&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.97"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_98"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_98"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2014 21:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">98 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.98">41226.98</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_97" target="_self">41226.97</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You know, one of the issues here in the U.S. that nobody seems to take account of is that here in the U.S., another reason people have guns is that we live in a much more dangerous and wild environment than folks in the U.K. do.<br /><br /> Here we have dogs, wolves, opossum, moose, bears, mountain lions, coyotes, crocodiles, alligators. Dog attacks alone cost about a billion dollars a year due to injuries and deaths. Even deer cause lots of vehicular damage and about 100 deaths per year. Have to cull the herds.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.98&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.98"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_99"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_99"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2014 21:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Oct 2014 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">99 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.99">41226.99</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_98" target="_self">41226.98</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not too dissimilar to many farmers in the UK legally owning guns. <br /> <br /> I imagine most people on here wouldn't disagree that owning guns for protection against wild animals is a reasonable thing. <br /> <br /> It's the owning guns for protection against other people that the disagreement more than likely lies. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.99&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.99"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_100"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_100"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">21 Oct 2014 00:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Oct 2014 03:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">100 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.100">41226.100</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.91#a41226_99" target="_self">41226.99</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Then they need to stop acting like wild animals!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.100&return_msg=41226.91" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.100"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.101" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>