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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.0&return_msg=41226.140"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.121">121–130</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.131">131–140</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.141">141–150</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.151">151–160</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.171">171–177</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41226.140">Gun Laws</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41226_140_177_10"> <a name="a41226_140"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_140"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2016 22:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jan 2016 12:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">140 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140">41226.140</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.139">41226.139</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hrm, I will wait and see this picture (imgur.com is an easy way to do it, by the way, even gives you the HTML embed codes) but I can't really see how any of your post is relevant to the one you replied to. Well, most of it is pretty non-sequitur insults anyway - why bother? As I've previously said, I don't agree with a shitload of what he's done already.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.140&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.140"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_141"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_141"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">11 Jan 2016 12:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jan 2016 13:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">141 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.141">41226.141</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_140" target="_self">41226.140</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The picture popped to mind because I was just in that folder prior to seeing your post.<br /><br /> It is interesting that you folks can post any sort of nonsense you want - jokes, insults - against any of your politicians or even ours, yet if I do the same thing, you all would pile on with name-calling and the like when I do not agree with you.<br /><br /> To use a phrase common to this forum: Acting like that makes you lot a load of cunts, and one-way cunts at that. British haughtiness at it's best, and nothing more elegant than that.<br /><br /> I don't see why you folks love obama. He has been grossly ineffective in many arenas; even your love for obamacare has proven to be a failure, because it was a poorly written political behemoth that really only benefits big pharma and insurance companies. Getting rid of it will save to U.S. about 500 billion dollars.<br /><br /> As far as guns go, obama can't have it both ways. He protected a gun-walking programme - but perhaps you didn't hear about that or didn't care - so what is the difference now that obama, with great fanfare, wants to use his pen to change something that doesn't need to be changed, just properly enforced? <em>But the point is really, you gave up your guns as a country and you want us to as well.</em> Well, we aren't going to do that.<br /><br /> To be fair to you all, I am not sure I have ever heard one positive thing from any of you about any politician in your country, ever. Perhaps you have total mistrust in all politicians and really, really like to criticise all things American. I cannot recall ever hearing anything but criticism for America and Americans, so perhaps since my American heritage overrides the English because I live here, it makes no sense to discuss or post about anything else but the most non-polarising topics. I suspect tea might even be off limits.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.141&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.141"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_142"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_142"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">11 Jan 2016 13:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 02:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">142 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.142">41226.142</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_141" target="_self">41226.141</a></div> <div class="message_body"> again, where is the "you folks love Obama" coming from? I've directly said the opposite several times. If he/the Democrats were somehow transplanted to be a UK political party they would be to the right of our Conservatives, i.e. very much not my thing at all.<br /><br /> As to the jokes - you are to be trying to convince us that for e.g. Trump is not what we think he is (and for some reason, that we should stop loving Obama even if we already don't). But your way of doing it is largely without substance, its just to fire insults at the people he's competing with. Not even jokes, just things like "shithead" and "horses arse". You can carry on by all means, it's hardly offensive or anything, just a bit pointless. <br /><br /> Obama and gun-walking: I hadn't read much about it, so I did some reading. Yeah that's pretty awful. So... he should not try to improve safety at all now? I still don't really understand the relevance unless you think this is entirely about his legacy and not about the desire to reduce mass shootings in the USA.<br /><br /> Obamacare - if it is serving the people badly then that's a real shame but you need to consider more than straight financial sums as it should have a benefit to all society. I would rather the NHS cost me <em>more</em> and was better funded, personally. But yes, it sounds like it has not been the success intended, and that's really sad for the USA. See point 1 at the start of this post. Consider what the fuck Obamacare has to do with gun laws. etc.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.142&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.142"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_143"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_143"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 02:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 10:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">143 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.143">41226.143</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_142" target="_self">41226.142</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I still don't really understand the relevance unless you think this is entirely about his legacy and not about the desire to reduce mass shootings in the USA.</div> <p>If you don't understand the relevance, try this: Obama is "from" Chicago. It ain't about legacy makin' ;obama is fulla shite.<br /><br /><strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">Consider what the fuck Obamacare has to do with gun laws. etc.</div> <p>The sum total is ineffectiveness. <strong>obama has ruined America. </strong></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.143&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.143"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_144"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_144"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 10:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 11:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">144 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.144">41226.144</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_143" target="_self">41226.143</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What do you mean by "from"? But no, I still don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Maybe we need to widen the scope of this thread to just USA Politics instead?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.144&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.144"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_145"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_145"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 11:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 11:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">145 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.145">41226.145</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_143" target="_self">41226.143</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">The sum total is ineffectiveness. </span><strong style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">obama has ruined America.</strong></div> No, free market capitalism has changed the complexion of America by allowing primary manufacture to migrate to countries where labour is cheaper through free trade agreements, whilst exacerbating inequality through a finance sector that rewards wealth and punishes poverty. Who caused the 2007 Recession? Who paid for it? <br /><br /> Why do you think the billionaire Donald Trump is standing for president? Because he's opening a new front in his tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen, for which we so much evidence in his past? His entire history is of selfish greed and aggressive acquisitiveness: do you really think he has undergone some Damascene conversion? You have a mind, Fixrman, use it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.145&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.145"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_146"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_146"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 11:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 23:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">146 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.146">41226.146</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_145" target="_self">41226.145</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Why do you think the billionaire Donald Trump is standing for president? Because he's opening a new front in his tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen, for which we so much evidence in his past?</div> <p>So answer me this: If Trump is all about the greed, why would he want the job of POTUS? For him, it doesn't pay that well. Tell me, what president have you seen in the past - or any politician for that matter in history - who had a "tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen"?<br /><br /><strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">You have a mind, Fixrman, use it.</div> <p>Right back at you. If you think that your neat and tidy analysis - albeit too simplistic - is the sum total of the American situation, you are fooling yourself.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Who caused the 2007 Recession? Who paid for it? </div> <p>I can't wait for you to tell me that one. Please, let me hear it from you first, because it will be interesting to see what you actually say about that.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Jan 2016 12:00 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.146&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.146"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_147"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_147"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 14:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Jan 2016 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">147 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.147">41226.147</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_146" target="_self">41226.146</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.146">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote"> <div class="quotetext">So answer me this: If Trump is all about the greed, why would he want the job of POTUS? For him, it doesn't pay that well. Tell me, what president have you seen in the past - or any politician for that matter in history - who had a "tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen"?</div> </div> <p><br /> To make sure the laws continue to favour him and his rich cronies, obviously. Can't be having change helping everyone else get a fair break, that'd cost him some fractional percentage of his worth!</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.147&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.147"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_148"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_148"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 14:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 15:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">148 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.148">41226.148</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_147" target="_self">41226.147</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">To make sure the laws continue to favour him and his rich cronies, obviously.</div> <p>I don't think it's even that complicated. Trump craves power and status. For himself. He's a true narcissist. Even for the wealthy elites, his status is of a bad joke, a tv-celebrity fraud with bad hair, and he deep down knows it. That makes him really, really angry. He wants payback for that denial of acceptance and recognition, so he is going over their heads to the disenfranchised riffraff who actually watch his brain-dead form of 'entertainment' and are only too willing to swallow his guff. They want payback too.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Jan 2016 14:53 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.148&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.148"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_149"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_149"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2016 10:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Jan 2016 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">149 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.149">41226.149</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140#a41226_146" target="_self">41226.146</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">So answer me this: If Trump is all about the greed, why would he want the job of POTUS? For him, it doesn't pay that well.</span></div> As Milko says, his agenda is to change business & financial law to benefit his current and future endeavours. He will say anything he thinks will optimise his chances of winning. What he says will have little correlation with what he will do.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">What president have you seen in the past - or any politician for that matter in history - who had a "tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen"</span></div> <br /> I can't speak for US presidents, because my knowledge of US history doesn't extend to their pre-election careers, but Ghandi didn't do too shabby a job. Depending on your definition of 'politician' I'd cite Pope Francis, too. The there was William Wilberforce, Emmeline Pankhurst, Jose Mujica...<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">If you think that your neat and tidy analysis - albeit too simplistic - is the sum total of the American situation, you are fooling yourself.</span></div> Of course I don't. But you clearly don't think I'm wrong: you criticise it only for being simplistic, not incorrect.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">I can't wait for you to tell me that one.</span></div> The recession was caused by the recklessness of the financial industries taking on more risk than they had reserves to cover.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> <p style="margin:.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">In its "Declaration of the Summit on Financial Markets and the World Economy," dated 15 November 2008, leaders of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G20_major_economies" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);" title="G20 major economies">Group of 20</a> cited the following causes:</p> <blockquote style="margin:1em 0px;padding:0px 40px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <p style="margin:.5em 0px;line-height:inherit;">During a period of strong global growth, growing capital flows, and prolonged stability earlier this decade, market participants sought higher yields without an adequate appreciation of the risks and failed to exercise proper due diligence. At the same time, weak underwriting standards, unsound risk management practices, increasingly complex and opaque financial products, and consequent excessive leverage combined to create vulnerabilities in the system. Policy-makers, regulators and supervisors, in some advanced countries, did not adequately appreciate and address the risks building up in financial markets, keep pace with financial innovation, or take into account the systemic ramifications of domestic regulatory actions.</p> </blockquote> </div> It was paid for by the poor and middle classes:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> <ul style="margin:.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><li style="margin-bottom:.1em;">The United States has seen an increasing concentration of wealth to the detriment of the middle class and the poor with the younger generations being especially affected. The middle class dropped from 61% of the population in 1971 to 51% in 2011 as the upper class increased its take of the national income from 29% in 1970 to 46% in 2010. The share for the middle class dropped to 45%, down from 62% while total income for the poor dropped to 9% from 10%. Since the number of poor increased during this period the smaller piece of the pie (down to 9% from 10%) is spread over a greater portion of the population.<sup style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession#cite_note-108" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;">[108]</a></sup> The portion of national wealth owned by the middle class and poor has also dropped as their portion of the national income has dropped, making it more difficult to accumulate wealth. The younger generation, which would be just starting their wealth accumulation, has been the most hard hit. Those under 35 are 68% less wealthy than they were in 1984, while those over 55 are 10% wealthier.<sup style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession#cite_note-109" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;">[109]</a></sup> Much of this concentration has happened since the start of the Great Recession. In 2009, the wealthiest 20% of households controlled 87.2% of all wealth, up from 85.0% in 2007. The top 1% controlled 35.6% of all wealth, up from 34.6% in 2007.<sup style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession#cite_note-110" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;">[110]</a></sup> The share of the bottom 80% fell from 15% to 12.8%, dropping 15%.</li> </ul></div> HTH.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.149&return_msg=41226.140" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.149"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.150" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>