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At the same time as freely acknowledging that it would take longer to actually work than he'll be president. I wonder if it'll do anything? Don't agree with lots of things he's done but it seems like he's giving this the best go he's actually allowed to. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.138&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.138"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_139"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_139"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2016 21:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jan 2016 22:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">139 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.139">41226.139</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_138" target="_self">41226.138</a></div> <div class="message_body"> obama is a flaccid penis. Where was obama when holder was running Fast and Furious? Hmmmm?<br /><br /> obama is a weathervane, pandering only to the camera. He can't do a damn thing about gun safety, because he's ignored it when it was politically expedient. obama doesn't really give two shits about guns. Not even one shit, but he is a shithead, a horse's arse. Weak, flaccid, ineffective. An empty suit.<br /><br /> Milko, it is of paramount importance that I try to attach the photo I have been wont to have you see for some time now.<br /><br /> Sonofabitch! I guess I will have to upload it to my website and then upload it here. >.< <br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.139&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.139"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_140"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_140"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">10 Jan 2016 22:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jan 2016 12:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">140 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.140">41226.140</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_139" target="_self">41226.139</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hrm, I will wait and see this picture (imgur.com is an easy way to do it, by the way, even gives you the HTML embed codes) but I can't really see how any of your post is relevant to the one you replied to. Well, most of it is pretty non-sequitur insults anyway - why bother? As I've previously said, I don't agree with a shitload of what he's done already.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.140&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.140"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_141"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_141"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">11 Jan 2016 12:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Jan 2016 13:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">141 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.141">41226.141</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_140" target="_self">41226.140</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The picture popped to mind because I was just in that folder prior to seeing your post.<br /><br /> It is interesting that you folks can post any sort of nonsense you want - jokes, insults - against any of your politicians or even ours, yet if I do the same thing, you all would pile on with name-calling and the like when I do not agree with you.<br /><br /> To use a phrase common to this forum: Acting like that makes you lot a load of cunts, and one-way cunts at that. British haughtiness at it's best, and nothing more elegant than that.<br /><br /> I don't see why you folks love obama. He has been grossly ineffective in many arenas; even your love for obamacare has proven to be a failure, because it was a poorly written political behemoth that really only benefits big pharma and insurance companies. Getting rid of it will save to U.S. about 500 billion dollars.<br /><br /> As far as guns go, obama can't have it both ways. He protected a gun-walking programme - but perhaps you didn't hear about that or didn't care - so what is the difference now that obama, with great fanfare, wants to use his pen to change something that doesn't need to be changed, just properly enforced? <em>But the point is really, you gave up your guns as a country and you want us to as well.</em> Well, we aren't going to do that.<br /><br /> To be fair to you all, I am not sure I have ever heard one positive thing from any of you about any politician in your country, ever. Perhaps you have total mistrust in all politicians and really, really like to criticise all things American. I cannot recall ever hearing anything but criticism for America and Americans, so perhaps since my American heritage overrides the English because I live here, it makes no sense to discuss or post about anything else but the most non-polarising topics. I suspect tea might even be off limits.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.141&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.141"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_142"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_142"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">11 Jan 2016 13:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 02:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">142 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.142">41226.142</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_141" target="_self">41226.141</a></div> <div class="message_body"> again, where is the "you folks love Obama" coming from? I've directly said the opposite several times. If he/the Democrats were somehow transplanted to be a UK political party they would be to the right of our Conservatives, i.e. very much not my thing at all.<br /><br /> As to the jokes - you are to be trying to convince us that for e.g. Trump is not what we think he is (and for some reason, that we should stop loving Obama even if we already don't). But your way of doing it is largely without substance, its just to fire insults at the people he's competing with. Not even jokes, just things like "shithead" and "horses arse". You can carry on by all means, it's hardly offensive or anything, just a bit pointless. <br /><br /> Obama and gun-walking: I hadn't read much about it, so I did some reading. Yeah that's pretty awful. So... he should not try to improve safety at all now? I still don't really understand the relevance unless you think this is entirely about his legacy and not about the desire to reduce mass shootings in the USA.<br /><br /> Obamacare - if it is serving the people badly then that's a real shame but you need to consider more than straight financial sums as it should have a benefit to all society. I would rather the NHS cost me <em>more</em> and was better funded, personally. But yes, it sounds like it has not been the success intended, and that's really sad for the USA. See point 1 at the start of this post. Consider what the fuck Obamacare has to do with gun laws. etc.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.142&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.142"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_143"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_143"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 02:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 10:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">143 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.143">41226.143</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_142" target="_self">41226.142</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I still don't really understand the relevance unless you think this is entirely about his legacy and not about the desire to reduce mass shootings in the USA.</div> <p>If you don't understand the relevance, try this: Obama is "from" Chicago. It ain't about legacy makin' ;obama is fulla shite.<br /><br /><strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">Consider what the fuck Obamacare has to do with gun laws. etc.</div> <p>The sum total is ineffectiveness. <strong>obama has ruined America. </strong></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.143&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.143"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_144"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_144"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 10:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 11:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">144 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.144">41226.144</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_143" target="_self">41226.143</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What do you mean by "from"? But no, I still don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Maybe we need to widen the scope of this thread to just USA Politics instead?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.144&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.144"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_145"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_145"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 11:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 11:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">145 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.145">41226.145</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_143" target="_self">41226.143</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">The sum total is ineffectiveness. </span><strong style="font-size:11.52px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">obama has ruined America.</strong></div> No, free market capitalism has changed the complexion of America by allowing primary manufacture to migrate to countries where labour is cheaper through free trade agreements, whilst exacerbating inequality through a finance sector that rewards wealth and punishes poverty. Who caused the 2007 Recession? Who paid for it? <br /><br /> Why do you think the billionaire Donald Trump is standing for president? Because he's opening a new front in his tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen, for which we so much evidence in his past? His entire history is of selfish greed and aggressive acquisitiveness: do you really think he has undergone some Damascene conversion? You have a mind, Fixrman, use it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.145&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.145"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_146"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_146"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 11:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Jan 2016 23:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">146 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.146">41226.146</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_145" target="_self">41226.145</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Why do you think the billionaire Donald Trump is standing for president? Because he's opening a new front in his tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen, for which we so much evidence in his past?</div> <p>So answer me this: If Trump is all about the greed, why would he want the job of POTUS? For him, it doesn't pay that well. Tell me, what president have you seen in the past - or any politician for that matter in history - who had a "tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen"?<br /><br /><strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">You have a mind, Fixrman, use it.</div> <p>Right back at you. If you think that your neat and tidy analysis - albeit too simplistic - is the sum total of the American situation, you are fooling yourself.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Who caused the 2007 Recession? Who paid for it? </div> <p>I can't wait for you to tell me that one. Please, let me hear it from you first, because it will be interesting to see what you actually say about that.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Jan 2016 12:00 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.146&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.146"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_147"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_147"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Jan 2016 14:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Jan 2016 01:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">147 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.147">41226.147</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.138#a41226_146" target="_self">41226.146</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.146">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote"> <div class="quotetext">So answer me this: If Trump is all about the greed, why would he want the job of POTUS? For him, it doesn't pay that well. Tell me, what president have you seen in the past - or any politician for that matter in history - who had a "tireless campaign for the ordinary citizen"?</div> </div> <p><br /> To make sure the laws continue to favour him and his rich cronies, obviously. Can't be having change helping everyone else get a fair break, that'd cost him some fractional percentage of his worth!</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.147&return_msg=41226.138" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.147"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.148" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>