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Not that there haven't been many stupid things done, but our viewpoints on that might be widely divergent. What was something done you felt particularly stupid.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.11&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2014 22:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 06:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.12">41193.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.9">41193.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If you don't follow American politics, what do you think you know about chads?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.12&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2014 22:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 12:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.13">41193.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_11" target="_self">41193.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> More by historical American foreign and domestic policy/practise.<br /><br /> The Ferguson stuff was above the baseline, for example.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.13&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2014 22:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 12:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.14">41193.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_11" target="_self">41193.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (The most pressingly stupid thing the US does currently, to my mind, is incarcerating a far greater proportion (by like 3x) of its people than any other comparable western democratic state. And imprisoning a statistically indefensible proportion of its non-white citizenry, often with longer sentences than whites get etc. etc.. If people started caring about that and <em>that</em> became a news story then I'd certainly be interested)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.14&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 07:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 12:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.15">41193.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.10">41193.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.10">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote"> <p>I thought he was so highly regarded over there, early on? Guess the bloom fell off the rose quickly.</p> </div> <p>You're assuming that I ever regarded him. I can only speak for me, there may be millions out here who worship the ground he walks on; but I'm not one, nor have I ever been.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.15&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 07:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 12:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.16">41193.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_12" target="_self">41193.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.12">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote">If you don't follow American politics, what do you think you know about chads?</div> <p>My understanding is that's how the retards in Florida voted Geedubbya in.<br /><br /> Clarification: the position of most powerful leader in the West was donated to a buffoon on the basis that Floridians couldn't properly punch a hole in paper. At least that how (I recall) it was told at the time.<br /><br /> But that's the problem with democracy. Most of the time it's swung by bottom feeders who should just be doped up to the eyeballs and stuck in front of lobotomy TV rather than being allowed to do something vaguely responsible like vote. Or, worse, socialists.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 13 Sep 2014 11:50 by MR_BASTARD</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.16&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 12:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 20:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.17">41193.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_13" target="_self">41193.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ferguson is not a good example of American political practice, it is a law enforcement issue. It is an example of nothing really until the whole story is revealed. I live a lot closer and have followed some of it. We are not getting the full story by any measure and neither are you.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.17&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 12:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 20:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.18">41193.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_14" target="_self">41193.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, first off we are not a democratic state, we are a Federal presidential Constitutional Republic comprised of 50 states, but you are not alone in making that mistake. Most of America does. Although we are moving more and more to Democracy, that is not our political model.<br /><br /> What country are you comparing the U.S. to? Not that I don't disagree with your assessment of our rates of imprisonment for blacks (I didn't think you meant any other minority) I'd like to know the comparison then I will give some opinion on why I think you are right on the imprisonment bit.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.18&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 16:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2014 17:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.19">41193.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_16" target="_self">41193.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Florida was a debacle as far as the voting goes, but point in fact that whole hanging chad/miscast vote bit had happened before(1996, 14,000 votes). If people had just taken a few seconds more to actually look at the ballot, they'd have voted properly. They also could have asked for a new ballot before leaving the voting boot. It was however a poorly designed ballot.<br /><br /> Adding to the maddening controversy was the fact that a Democrat, Theresa LePore, designed the ballot and it was approved by both sides.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">But that's the problem with democracy. Most of the time it's swung by bottom feeders who should just be doped up to the eyeballs and stuck in front of lobotomy TV rather than being allowed to do something vaguely responsible like vote. Or, worse, socialists.</div> Are you including the population of Merry Olde England in that assessment, or is that something you reserve solely for Americans. Actually, Canada and Britain are considered more democratic than the U.S. is. We vote for a president, but a president is not necessarily elected by popular vote, it is decided by Electoral votes. So a guy like obama, who exploited inherent weaknesses in that system of election by concentrating on population centers to gain electoral votes, gets in power.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">the position of most powerful leader in the West was donated to a buffoon</div> <p>As opposed to the buffoon in there now? Was there ever a POTUS you liked?<br /><br /> The alternative of course is to not vote which is ridiculous in my opinion, worse even than uninformed voting.<br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.19&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2014 17:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Sep 2014 13:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.20">41193.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.11#a41193_19" target="_self">41193.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.19">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote">Are you including the population of Merry Olde England in that assessment, or is that something you reserve solely for Americans. Actually, Canada and Britain are considered more democratic than the U.S. is. We vote for a president, but a president is not necessarily elected by popular vote, it is decided by Electoral votes. So a guy like obama, who exploited inherent weaknesses in that system of election by concentrating on population centers to gain electoral votes, gets in power.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">the position of most powerful leader in the West was donated to a buffoon</div> <p>As opposed to the buffoon in there now? Was there ever a POTUS you liked?</p> </div> <p>I was particularly thinking of the population of Merrie Olde England (and its nearest neighbours).<br /><br /> POTUS that I liked? I guess Abe was pretty decent. Clinton...but she's not been elected yet.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.20&return_msg=41193.11" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41193.21" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>