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It's always looked that way to me, just a jumbled sea of icons.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.21&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 16:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 16:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.22">40913.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.1">40913.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's called windows rot. It's what happens when you install and uninstall software over the years. Uninstalling never gets everything and so you're left with bits if old shit clogging up the registry. <br /> <br /> I have grown fond of 8.1. I think it really shines on a touch enabled device like my laptop or a surface but I have also used it on desktops and it's pretty much the same as 7. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.22&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 16:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 18:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.23">40913.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.21#a40913_21" target="_self">40913.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Windows 8 Startscreen could definitely do with a way to delete icons without having to open Windows Explorer to do it, but I don't think the grouping is really any worse than folders, it's just a different way of doing things.<br /><br /> And of course it doesn't help that application installers like to create an uninstall icon, a help/readme icon and a link to their website which clogs up the Start Screen with useless icons that you can't get rid of, except for the above method of finding them in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs or C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu.<br /><br /> Maybe Windows 8.1 Update 1 (Really, Microsoft? Why not just Windws 8.1 or 8.11?) we'll get some better management options.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.23&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 19:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 19:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.24">40913.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.18">40913.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not my computer, but no. It's been like that since day 1 (Dell i5 laptop, few months old). </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.24&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 21:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 21:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25">40913.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.21#a40913_22" target="_self">40913.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's a bit of a reversal from what you were saying before. I think I might as well try it out for a bit. Be nice to have my main drive back as C instead of D too, not sure how that happened.<br /> <br /> Not heard Windows rot before. I find a fresh install is always better running than one a couple of years old.<br /> <br /> More positive feedback on here than I was expecting. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.25&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 21:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 22:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.26">40913.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.21#a40913_25" target="_self">40913.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I still maintain that the changes they made were not for improvement but just for the sake of change and to be able to sell it as a new OS. They are hell bent on one OS for all devices, and I'm just not sure if that's the correct approach or not. I guess time will tell. But for the way I use it 99% of the time it's just Windows 7 + 1.1!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.26&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 08:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 08:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.27">40913.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.16">40913.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "it's obvious 8.1 is what Microsoft were aiming for"<br /> <br /> Really? IIRC at least some of the changes in 8.1 (such as boot to desktop and a vestigial start menu) were apparently introduced in response to 'customer feedback' (i.e. people hated what they'd been given instead).<br /> <br /> Whether the W7 start menu is useful or not is, of course, a matter of personal opinion. Personally I prefer the W7 version to the rather half-hearted sop included in W8.1. Yes there are third-party alternatives out there that are popular. That in itself should have told Microsoft something.<br /> <br /> But even with the boot to desktop and being able to sleep/shutdown without having to incant the charms bar it's still not good enough IMO. The charms bar cannot be fully disabled, and I found it popping up unnecessarily when mousing to the top and bottom of fully expanded windows. And the flat metro look still encroaches even if you do your best to get rid of it. I recognise that it's a matter of personal opinion, but I find metro rather offensively ugly.<br /> <br /> I only hope that Apple learn the folly of taking convergence to its brain dead extreme and recognise that there are some things in iOS that simply should be different in OS X.<br /> <br /> (BTW is it just me? I find that adding a new paragraph in the desktop version of BH requires three or four returns while lite mode only requires two)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.27&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 08:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 09:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.28">40913.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.17">40913.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, that pause is annoying. I wouldn't mind if it showed y the programs first quickly then searched through documents and stuff.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.28&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 09:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 09:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.29">40913.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.16">40913.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I do both of those, depending how close my hand is to the keyboard. Maybe more often I use the mouse. But most of what I use is pinned to the taskbar.<br /> <br /> The 7 list of programs is less easy to find something if you're not sure what it is called then the XP list with everything showing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.29&return_msg=40913.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 09:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 10:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.30">40913.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.21#a40913_27" target="_self">40913.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, the return of the persistent start button and boot to desktop are obvious backtracks, but the changes to the search on the start screen and the ability to add smaller tiles are things that should have been there from the word go. A lot of the changes to 8.1 only came about after Steven Sinofsky "resigned" and was replaced with the Windows 8 Mobile team leader, who almost bought with him most of his UX/UI and technical team.<br /><br /> It is odd how you have problems with the Charms bar always popping up, I tend to have problems with it not appearing when I want it to, but I think that might be more to do with my dual monitors and that when I try to make it appear I'm always trying to do it on my left-hand monitor. The Charms bar only opens for me if I move the mouse to the bottom right, not sure if that is an 8.1 change or a peculiarity to dual monitor set ups.<br /><br /> Apple have been treading the down the path of converging the desktop and mobile platforms for much longer than Microsoft have been seen to be doing. However, they do seem to have slowed down their conversion of Mac OS into an iOS for the desktop though and I can't help but wonder if that is because they've been keeping a close eye on the criticism of Windows 8. I do think it's something that will eventually become all OSes though as even Linux (Ubuntu at least) is heading down this route of a single UI for all platforms.<br /><br /> (Beehive doesn't actually do paragraphs, pressing enter should insert an <br> tag each time. 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