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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.0&return_msg=40728.12"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.41">41–43</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=40728.12">Windows 8.1 is out...</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="40728_12_43_10"> <a name="a40728_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 11:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 15:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12">40728.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.10">40728.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree with a lot of that, although I'll point out that having an SSD can improve things imeasurably. On my laptop (2.6GHz Core i5, 6GB RAM, 128GB Corsair SSD), Windows 7 (once past the BIOS screen) boots in 16 seconds to the login screen, 3 seconds to the desktop (where it's usable), and Firefox starts in 2 seconds. I agree though that Windows performance on an HDD is fairly poor.<br /><br /> The biggy for me will be seeing how MS competes in the long term here. I know they're going down the services route a lot more (pushing the MS store and whatnot), but Microsoft also have to accept that one of their biggest strengths and most profitable areas is enterprise.<br /><br /> Many of them do not like Windows 8 and have stuck with Windows 7. That's not a problem for one version, however if MS continues to push Windows in a consumer direction rather than a production direction, I reckon more and more businesses will slowly but surely take a good long look at Linux and consider it as a more suitable OS for a work environment than a Windows screen full of shite flashing tiles. That is something MS can't afford to happen.<br /><br /> In which case, I can see one of two things happening. One is Microsoft grudgingly giving in to some degree and placing a better emphasis on improving the desktop and providing more choice. The second might be Microsoft actually forking Windows, keeping the same kernel etc, but creating a separate and fully business oriented version of Windows. It'll be interesting to see, but top businesses do not want an OS which is geared towards touch and flashy consumer "apps".</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.12&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 12:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 13:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.13">40728.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_12" target="_self">40728.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This I agree with - I've come to really like Win 8 as a desktop OS, but I'm dreading my first enterprise rollout. I've been playing with it in a VM, and I'm really struggling to see if the difficulty in locking it down is worth the reward.<br /><br /><br /><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 20 Oct 2013 12:04 by PILOTDAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.13&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 12:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 12:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.14">40728.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_13" target="_self">40728.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This may sound a bit simplistic but do Microsoft not provide some sort of resource/help/guide to assist with things like this? Transitioning between their major products/revisions.<br /> <br /> Or is it left to people like you and that's the reason the job you do is valued?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.14&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 13:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 17:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.15">40728.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_14" target="_self">40728.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There are Microsoft articles but they vary greatly in quality and usefulness. Also, a lot of them address very specific issues meaning you need to know exactly what you're trying to fix to find them. Plus, I work a lot in education which requires a high level of control compared to most businesses.<br /> <br /> So, yeah mostly the second but I don't want to over play it. Its just experience over time and attacking issues as they come up - most can be sorted with a quick Google, but once we've done (collectively) 3 or 4 installs, we have a good cache of knowledge going forward and can provide a really solid install from day one. Plus, don't underestimate the comfort blanket of having a help desk number you can call when the boss is breathing down your neck!<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.15&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 15:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 20:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.16">40728.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_12" target="_self">40728.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Sure, but a SSD will improve Linux boot speeds too so then it's 16 seconds versus 5.<br /><br /> (Read a thing recently where someone made the quickest-booting linux they possibly could. Booted in 0.02 seconds <span class="emoticon e_bigtear" title=":')"><span class="e__">:')</span></span> (couldn't actually do much with it since they'd stripped pretty much everything out <span class="emoticon e_pipe" title=":Y"><span class="e__">:Y</span></span> ))<br /><br /> Enterprise is profitable for MS, aye, but selling Windows to enterprise isn't really (since they have to sell it very cheap and it's rarely updated). It's Azure, Exchange and Office where they make their enterprise money. Azure is becoming the focus of their efforts and Office/email will be a web based service.<br /><br /> I think MS are fine with Linux becoming the desktop OS for enterprise. So long as it's being virtualised on Azure.<br /><br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.16&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 15:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 17:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.17">40728.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.11">40728.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> W3rd.<br /><br /> I've not encountered anything that needs drivers for <em>years</em>. But then I don't use anything at all exotic so that's not surprising.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.17&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 20:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Oct 2013 20:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.18">40728.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_12" target="_self">40728.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Quote:</b></div> <div class="quote"> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">I'll point out that having an SSD can improve things imeasurably. On my laptop (2.6GHz Core i5, 6GB RAM, 128GB Corsair SSD), Windows 7 (once past the BIOS screen) boots in 16 seconds to the login screen, 3 seconds to the desktop (where it's usable), and Firefox starts in 2 seconds.</span></div> <p> You can't go saying "immeasurably" and then go and measure it, man. That's just not on.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.18&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">20 Oct 2013 20:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Oct 2013 06:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.19">40728.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_17" target="_self">40728.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Make them make After Effects/Illustrator/Photoshop linux Xen, pleeeeeeease. I could ditch Windows and OSX then.<br /><br /> I forgot to post here but I have recently made OSX surprise even me, a grumpy Mac user, with how <em>fucking stupid</em> it can be.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.19&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Oct 2013 00:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Oct 2013 06:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.20">40728.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_19" target="_self">40728.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've always wondered why Adobe doesn't release on linux (after all, Autodesk did with Maya). Maybe one day they will.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.20&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40728_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_40728_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">21 Oct 2013 06:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Oct 2013 06:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 43</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.21">40728.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40728.12#a40728_19" target="_self">40728.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hah, they're moving towards being web services too, aren't they?<br /><br /> (I actually literally use Gimp these days <span class="emoticon e_plain" title=":|"><span class="e__">:|</span></span> I can't bring myself to use Inkscape though so I run Illustrator through Wine. (Inkscape is powerful and all that, but the UI is fucking dreadful))<br /><br /> (It's <em>extremely </em>weak for video editing stuff though, aye. There's some stuff in the works but nothing good enough to replace AE or Premier yet)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40728.21&return_msg=40728.12" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40728.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40728.22" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>