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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.0&return_msg=40661.39"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.51">51–58</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=40661.39">IE, spawn of Satan</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="40661_39_58_10"> <a name="a40661_39"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_39"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 16:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">39 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39">40661.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's something I need to check into. I don't do much coding but when I do I have shit scattered everywhere. What would you recommend for someone like me who only codes a little? Something very easy to use please!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.39&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.39"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 16:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 16:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.40">40661.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.38">40661.38</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've used version control before in a couple of different shops, and it makes sense where teams are concerned. No benefit to me in my present situation though. I went as far as installing and starting to use git here a few years ago, and then I thought, wtf am I doing this? It's just adding needless complexity, which I generally avoid like the plague unless really, really bored.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.40&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 16:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.41">40661.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_39" target="_self">40661.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'd recommend Git or Mercurial. I've found these links to be useful when explaining the concepts to people:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control</a><br /> <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.41&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 17:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.42">40661.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_40" target="_self">40661.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Source control is very useful for sole development. If only as a huge persistent undo buffer. Want to make a breaking change and don't want to backup files? Commit them to source control. What to test something that might not work out? Commit them to source control. <br /> <br /> Next you're going to tell us you use notepad to code in. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.42&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 18:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.43">40661.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_42" target="_self">40661.42</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <br /><div class="quotetext"> <b>Quote:</b></div> <div class="quote"> Want to make a breaking change and don't want to backup files?<br /> What to test something that might not work out?</div> <br /> It's hilarious that you depend on a thing called "source control" to perform idiot-simple functions like "undo". <br /><br /> As it happens, I code with textwrangler/mac, geany/linux, and (rarely) textpad/windows. Textpad is a really nice editor, I wish it was ported to linux.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Aug 2013 18:33 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.43&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 18:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.44">40661.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_43" target="_self">40661.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Where did I say I depend on it?<br /><br /> Undo buffer was an over-simplification.<br /><br /> If you have a project that you need to make huge sweeping changes to, do you copy it somewhere so you can undo your changes? If you use source control you don't have to bother doing that, because you would have already submitted code that you can easily revert to. It also means you can freely close files in your editor without loosing the undo buffer.<br /><br /> You can also create branches to test things and merge or delete those branches back into your main/trunk when you've completed them. Branching is in incredibly useful for having multiple working copies of the code, but without the ball-ache of not having duplicates of everything floating around. For example, you might have one tagged as "release" where you can provide quick fixes to otherwise know stable code and many others for continuous (often called "trunk" or "main") development. With version control software like Git and Mercurial you can cherry-pick changes between branches too, so you can keep your "trunk" up to date with fixes from "release".<br /><br /> I used to use Textpad, but gave up after the author abandoned it (7.x is functional no different to 6.x) and never got around to adding auto-complete / function argument hinting. If you don't want to pay for an Editor, Netbeans (IDE) and Notepad++ (Editor) are about the best you can get.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Aug 2013 18:52 by MATT</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.44&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 18:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.45">40661.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_39" target="_self">40661.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I heartily recommend Mercurial, but only because it has better tools than Git does. Git and Mercurial are very similar in functionality, but Git lacks good desktop GUI tools, where as TortoiseHG is just about the best source-control client ever.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.45&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 18:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 18:59"></span></span> Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 19:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.46">40661.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_45" target="_self">40661.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Can you point me to the correct thing I'd need to install it on Windows? And will I need Python?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.46&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 19:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 19:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.47">40661.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_45" target="_self">40661.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We used tortoise on one of my prior engagements. It is good.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.47&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 19:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 19:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.48">40661.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.39#a40661_46" target="_self">40661.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jeez Ken, let me fucking Duck Duck Go that for you...<br /> <a href="http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/download/">http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/download/</a><br /> <br /> It installs everything you need, and if I remember correctly it has the version of Python it needs as a dll.<br /> <br /> Setting up a repository is as simple as right-clicking a folder and using the relevant entry in the TortoiseHG menu.<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.48&return_msg=40661.39" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40661.49" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>