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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.0&return_msg=40661.29"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.31">31–40</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.51">51–58</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=40661.29">IE, spawn of Satan</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="40661_29_58_10"> <a name="a40661_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2013 23:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2013 23:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29">40661.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.28">40661.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The live site hasn't been touched.<br /><br /> For you, I recommend the acid therapy. Begin today.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.29&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2013 23:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2013 23:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.30">40661.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_29" target="_self">40661.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Unlike yourself?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.30&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2013 23:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 00:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.31">40661.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_30" target="_self">40661.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Been there, done it. <span class="emoticon e_smile_big_nose" title=":O)"><span class="e__">:O)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.31&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 08:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">32 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.32">40661.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_happycry" title=":'D"><span class="e__"><span class="emoticon e_happycry" title=":'D"><span class="e__">:'D</span></span></span></span> <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span><br /><br /><img alt="" src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14641356/ie10-sap.png" style="width:677px;height:461px;" /><br /><br /> Since I've recently started a job which could be classed as slightly corporate I've noticed a reliance on IE. I was sent a link to sign up to something by one of the MDs and when opened in Firefox it said I should probably use IE. When I opened it in IE I got that up there.<br /><br /> Our SAP CRM system only seems to function properly in IE too. It's usually a slow pile of shit though.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.32&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 08:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 09:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.33">40661.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.27">40661.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No source control? At all? Good grief.<br /><br /> You could at least stick the whole thing in a local Git repo, if only to keep track of what you've done yourself.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.33&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 08:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 08:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.34">40661.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_33" target="_self">40661.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That is something I need to do for many of my little projects. I always end up with multiple different revisions all over the show <span class="emoticon e_embarrassed" title=":$"><span class="e__">:$</span></span><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Aug 2013 08:24 by ANT_THOMAS</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.34&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 08:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 08:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.35">40661.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_34" target="_self">40661.34</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hah <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span> It's not even difficult or slow<br /><div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git init . </pre> <p> Then create/edit the .gitignore file and add the names of any files you don't want included in the repo (passwords, compiled stuff etc.), then</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git add . git commit -am "Yay, my first commit!" </pre> <p> That sets everything up. Then when you make changes:</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git add lib/some_new_library.rb git commit -am "Add SomeNewLib to repo. Fix a broken thing."</pre> <p> The '-am' parameters mean, respectively: automatically <strong>a</strong>dd modified files to this commit; use the last part of the command (the bit in "quotes") as the commit <strong>m</strong>essage.<br /><br /> You can make a new branch based on the current one:</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git checkout -b fancy_feature</pre> <p> The <strong>-b</strong> means 'create a new branch'. Leave it out to switch to an existing branch. You can merge changes from another branch to the current one:</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git checkout master git merge fancy_feature </pre> <p> This switches to the branch 'master', then merges 'fancy_feature' into it. If you edit the same part of a file in two different branches, then try to merge them, you'll get <strong>merge conflicts</strong>, which are a pain in the arse to fix, so don't do that.<br /><br /> To see which branch you're on, and what files have changed since last commit:</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git status</pre> <p> To see what specific changes you've made since last commit:</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Code:</b></div> <pre class="code"> git diff</pre> <p> You can include a filename after that to only diff that specific file.<br /><br /> Thus concludes my 5-minute intro to Git.</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Aug 2013 17:00 by CAER</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.35&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.35"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 08:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 09:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.36">40661.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_35" target="_self">40661.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And a damn good intro it was!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.36&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_37"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_37"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 10:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 10:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">37 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.37">40661.37</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_33" target="_self">40661.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Depends what you mean by "source control". I do daily code backups and sometimes more frequently for extensive modifications. I also add comments in situ which I find more helpful than sifting through a separate document. For large and complex projects where I'm breaking new ground (to me) I will keep dev notes too, mainly for my own use. The way the business works here is that nobody does formal source control for web sites (that I've ever seen, but who knows what crazy new fad might catch on), these aren't team coding efforts, you can very quickly find all the documentation you want on google, and if you need to work on someone else's code, you just wade in and figure out how to get the job done with the least amount of work, knowing full well nobody in their right mind is ever going to look at the code unless something breaks, and it's all going to be junked (your code, and quite possibly even the markup/scripting languages/versions themselves) in a few short years anyway. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.37&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40661_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_40661_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">28 Aug 2013 16:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Aug 2013 16:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.38">40661.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40661.29#a40661_37" target="_self">40661.37</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's nuts! It's good that you take backups and notes, but these days there are a lot of good ways to do source control with not much overhead.<br /> <br /> We use Mercurial in my place, with TortoiseHg as a GUI for it. We used to use Microsoft Team Foundation Server and Visual SourceSafe, but for the way we develop and deploy, those weren't really suitable. I'm a big fan - using it has a low overhead, and you can either use it as a personal thing to track revisions only for your self, or create a repository allowing collaboration between the team. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40661.38&return_msg=40661.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40661.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40661.39" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>