Huxley, not Orwell, was right - Teh Forum

<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.0&return_msg=40621.6"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.11">11–13</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=40621.6">Huxley, not Orwell, was right</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="40621_6_13_10"> <a name="a40621_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 5 Aug 2013 18:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Aug 2013 21:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6">40621.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.4">40621.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I am? What is <em>it </em>then?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.6&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 5 Aug 2013 18:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Aug 2013 18:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.7">40621.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.5">40621.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's what this country was founded on. The foresight that the people who crafted that document is amazing!<br /><br /> I agree that it's silly to think a piece of paper is the answer to all the problems, but this entire country and all of it's laws are based on the words from that document. The words on that document determine guilt or innocence, and imprisonment or freedom. So it's not something that you can just pick and choose to follow and that's what we have going on here. I'm not really a "America is the best place on earth" type of person. I was born here and didn't have a say in that, but I'm here and I don't mind it usually. Most places seem pretty much the same to me anyway. But the thing that really pisses me off, which is a little different from where you guys are from is these fuckers work for US! We pay them, we elect them on the hopes that they have our best interests in mind and will do their best to uphold the oath they've taken. It's to the point now though that they all come from the same mold (at least at the national level, local government isn't totally corrupt yet) so we are stuck picking the least worse which shouldn't happen.<br /><br /> Anyway, I hope that makes a little sense, the women in the office are fucking blabbing today and I can't concentrate. <br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.7&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 5 Aug 2013 19:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Aug 2013 19:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.8">40621.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_7" target="_self">40621.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Unfortunate that Neil Postman appears to set up a very crude reading of Orwell in order to stage this supposed win for Huxley. Of course, there's an even older story from 1921 which is probably a more satisfactory piece of writing than either. 'We' by Yevgeny Zamyatin has elements of both 1984 and Brave New World which isn't really surprising because it's <strike>very likely</strike> certain that both Orwell and Huxley read it before writing their books.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.8&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Aug 2013 22:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Aug 2013 12:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.9">40621.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_6" target="_self">40621.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It isn't something where guns can help with, except perhaps by shooting people who aren't your enemy, but that's generally regarded as not the wisest of approaches. <p>I'm not going to try and describe 'it' because (1) I don't know the right words; (b) I don't know that I'm right; (iii) You probably have to experience it for yourself, Kneo.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.9&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 6 Aug 2013 12:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Aug 2013 12:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.10">40621.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_9" target="_self">40621.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Great, so I have to keep my eye open for <em>it </em>but don't even know what <em>it </em>is!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.10&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time"> 6 Aug 2013 12:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Aug 2013 12:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.11">40621.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_10" target="_self">40621.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yoABwIlX3s">Epic</a>.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 Aug 2013 12:20 by WINGNUTKJ</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.11&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 6 Aug 2013 12:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Aug 2013 12:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.12">40621.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_11" target="_self">40621.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe when we do the teh podcast PB can find the words to tell me what <em>it </em>is!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.12&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40621_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_40621_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 6 Aug 2013 22:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Aug 2013 11:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 13</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.13">40621.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40621.6#a40621_10" target="_self">40621.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe reading the book that old Willie mentioned will help?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40621.13&return_msg=40621.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40621.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up 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