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A 9mm Glock is not, and neither is an AR-15) and do it rather efficiently.<br /><br /> I think most people in the UK are happy with our limited-gun lifestyle. Ill admit, in the interests of fairness, that I'd own a gun if I could because I've enjoyed target shooting and marksmanship in the past. But, I'd rather few people get to own guns, even if that excludes myself. And certainly not automatic assault rifles, because I really can't fathom a non-law enforcement/military requirement for them.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.10&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.11">40496.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_10" target="_self">40496.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> My point is/was regardless of gun ownership, if someone intends to kill you, and I mean seriously kill you, they can and will. And I'd rather take a bullet to the mullet and have it instantly kill me rather than be beaten and suffer.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.11&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.12">40496.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_11" target="_self">40496.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're rightm there's no arguing that - but <em>why</em> does the fact that, given enough effort someone can kill you anyway, mean we should legalise firearm ownership? And why should I be allowed to own an AR-15, but not, say, a mortar? Or an RPG?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.12&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.13">40496.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.1">40496.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What a strange question. Do we have to sit quietly and let it happen? I'd opt for the cleavers if not, since it gives me a rather greater chance of escape than some bullets.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.13&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.14">40496.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_12" target="_self">40496.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, in all actuality - around these parts anyway - you just don't know who might have a gun on them. That acts as a deterrent. Do you think those guys would have accomplished what they did to that poor soldier had he been carrying a 9mm or a 45 on him? Of course they certainly might have still killed him because even people who carry guns get killed, jumped and can't defend themselves, stuff like that. But I think in most cases you would have a better chance with a gun than without.<br /><br /> I agree, sorta, about the assault weapons. It's so ingrained in us that we think we have the right to own any type of gun. I have friends who do shoot those types of things just for fun, so I can't say they have no purpose other than to kill, but that's their main purpose. I also have friends who own 50 cal. What is the purpose of a gun like that? Shooting a tank? Fucking crazy gun! But we are allowed to buy them so we do (not me, us in general).<br /><br /> I think if you stop and think about it, unless you're being silly, you can see the difference between an automatic weapon and a mortar or bomb or missile. <br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.14&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.15">40496.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_13" target="_self">40496.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah I don't know why I even thought about it. When I heard it on the radio I just thought about how horrible it would be to die that way.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.15&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 13:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.16">40496.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_14" target="_self">40496.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If that deterrent thing is true, why are there so many murders in the USA? Psk, this thread won't work.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.16&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.16"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 13:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 14:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.17">40496.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_15" target="_self">40496.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Agreed on that! I kinda hope he was dead just from the start where they apparently ran him over with their car. <br /><br /> Fucking weird in all ways - crowds of people stood around in the aftermath while the two waited for the police to show up, just milling about. And that incredibly brave woman talking to them... whole thing is just surreal really.<br /><br /> It's not a good neighbourhood, Woolwich. <br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.17&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 14:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 14:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.18">40496.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.9#a40496_16" target="_self">40496.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There are a lot of murders all around the world. People kill people, that's the point. People were being stoned to death or racked long before guns.<br /><br /> Sorry, it was just something I was thinking about. I didn't start it to piss anyone off.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.18&return_msg=40496.9" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40496.19" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>